[Tricky Dick]

Rocksteady, on 21 December 2009 - 06:51 PM, said:

right, because suspended with pay is "life ruining"


this is the definition of double standard. Regardless of the occupation they should be punished the same as any other citizen.

this statement is also super prejudice. to think that there is a "normal" prison population.

Also if you bothered to fallow up he has since gotten fired from his job as a police officer. The only reason he got suspended with pay was because they were investigating the situation which is standard protocol when someone is being investigated internally.

[Rocksteady]

well its a "death sentence" for alot of other groups of people that go to prison too, big deal. He still shouldn't get any different treatment from the judicial system. He fucked up doing his job, he should get the same sentence as any other working man would get if he screwed up as bad.

i guess i really shouldn't bitch to much about the whole prevailing wage aspect though, considering it is a government job.

[Artie]

Rocksteady, on 23 December 2009 - 11:03 PM, said:

well its a "death sentence" for alot of other groups of people that go to prison too, big deal. He still shouldn't get any different treatment from the judicial system. He fucked up doing his job, he should get the same sentence as any other working man would get if he screwed up as bad.

i guess i really shouldn't bitch to much about the whole prevailing wage aspect though, considering it is a government job.

there's a difference between "other groups" going to prison and a police officer. he WILL be attacked in the general population, whether or not he is actually killed is on how fast the correction officers can pull the convicts off of him. He's an officer of the law, part of the group of people who put those people in there. A police officer in the general population is target number one for violent attacks.

Im not trying to defend this police officer, as yes he did fuck up completely and take the life of two people who were close to many people I know, I'm just stating the fact that he is a target of convicts if was to be put in jail. he will be killed.

[Rocksteady]

well that is a problem that lies within the prison system, which has nothing to do with sentencing. Its a little unfair to put officers above normal citizens because the prison system is brutal, demeaning, and obsolete. The argument against putting him in prison can then be used for any criminal justice/government worker.

[Artie]

Rocksteady, on 09 January 2010 - 02:02 PM, said:

well that is a problem that lies within the prison system, which has nothing to do with sentencing. Its a little unfair to put officers above normal citizens because the prison system is brutal, demeaning, and obsolete. The argument against putting him in prison can then be used for any criminal justice/government worker.

Never said it wasn't. I'm just stating that he would not survive in the general prison population and would have to be put into some sort of solitary confinement. Granted there should be no difference between his sentence and that of a "normal" citizen.

[Wind]

I say give him Lethal Injection.

And about the other officer, he should be going to jail as well, IT TAKES TWO TO DRAG RACE, you dont DRAG RACE YOURSELF.

If two people robbed a bank, one went in and one was in a car to be the get away driver they both get charged atleast the driver with conspiracy etc, so why the FUCK is the other officer back on the force? who knows who's idea it was to race, it could be the one who is back on the force, and that was the IDEA that killed my Ashley.

or as my mother put it "tie him to a pole, and slam into him at 100 mphs per hour"

(my mom was very close with Ashley as well, ash would come over and always watch movies, 70 % of the time with my mommy, and loved making conversation with my mom as her mom died when she was a child)

[Elitist Indie Hipster]

So your biased about what happens to him. Hence why they dont let the people affected by a tragedy choose what happens.

[Artie]

Elitist Indie Hipster, on 25 January 2010 - 12:28 PM, said:

So your biased about what happens to him. Hence why they dont let the people affected by a tragedy choose what happens.

Exactly.

And the IDEA didn't kill anybody. The action itself did. I could have the great idea to drag race on the Post Road as well, doesn't mean I did or would ever do that. Not to mention the other officer might not have been racing at all, especially since the dash cam shows the other car raced ahead of him, blasting by him at high speeds. Now I'm not saying that the second officer wasn't racing for sure, I'm saying you can't just throw everybody under the bus when some people might not have been doing anything wrong. There's a good chance he was racing, and there's a good chance he wasn't.

[Elitist Indie Hipster]

Essentially , i hate to be the voice of reason here but the truth hurts, its not 100% the cops fault. It may be 90% but not 100. Impairment ruins judgement, and it kills for a reason. If they werent impaired they would have been able to realize the car was going very fast and they wouldnt have turned. I dont know how many times i have not turned when it looked like someone was going too fast, just to be on the safe side. Thats taking nothing away from the officer was in the wrong, and it is a tragedy that has undoubtedly changed many lives all around.

[Rocksteady]

Artie, on 25 January 2010 - 01:29 PM, said:

Exactly.

And the IDEA didn't kill anybody. The action itself did.

Elitist Indie Hipster, on 25 January 2010 - 02:31 PM, said:

Impairment ruins judgement, and it kills for a reason. If they werent impaired they would have been able to realize the car was going very fast and they wouldnt have turned.

uhhhhhhh what?!?!

[Elitist Indie Hipster]

What is hard to understand about what i said? They were impaired. It ruined their judgement about how fast that car was going and whether it was safe to turn. Not rocket science.

[GummyBearOfDoom]

Elitist Indie Hipster, on 25 January 2010 - 02:31 PM, said:

Essentially , i hate to be the voice of reason here but the truth hurts, its not 100% the cops fault. It may be 90% but not 100. Impairment ruins judgement, and it kills for a reason. If they werent impaired they would have been able to realize the car was going very fast and they wouldnt have turned. I dont know how many times i have not turned when it looked like someone was going too fast, just to be on the safe side. Thats taking nothing away from the officer was in the wrong, and it is a tragedy that has undoubtedly changed many lives all around.

Maybe, but I live near that road and drive there weekly when I'm back at home. I'm not sure I would have seen the cop had I been sober. But being drunk sure doesn't help.

[Elitist Indie Hipster]

All i am saying is the blame does not solely fall on the villian.

[Ermine]

Completely WAY behind times on this topic, but I had a friend of mine look at the video(who is a cop). She says that the other car would have made the turn IF the cop car was going 40. And since it was night time, it's harder to judge if a car is coming at you faster or slower.
So in reality....yes, this cop seriously fucked up and needs to be heavily penalized; even sent to jail. A friend of my mum's was involved in a case of vehicular manslaughter and he was sent to jail even though what caused his mishap was severe rain. Why should this cop be any different?