The Belial Random SD&D Topic #1: The War on Terror

[Belial]

Thoughts on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Patriot Act, and the War on Terror in General.

Be careful what you say, they're watching this topic right now. :ninja:

[Poophy]

I don’t really even see it as a war, a war is typically an open conflict between 2 or more nations. But here there is no real enemy army to fight (that we haven’t already destroyed), there is no enemy territory that we can take (that we haven’t already taken) and theres no one to negotiate a peace treaty with…

So… if you look at it like a war, it becomes unwinnable…

[Wind]

Poophy San, Professional Opium Smoker.

[guy incognito]

Let me just sum up. On track, stay the course, a thousand points of light. Stay the course.

[margot]

I don't get it.

[amy]

I have absolutely no idea what is going on but I figure what is the point having lots of soldiers and stuff in Iraq for the "war on terror" when most terrorists are spread out in different countries and virtually untrackable especially not by a bunch of guys and tanks in baghdad. I know the whole democracy thing but ehh i think that also would go better if there was less military presence.

[Poophy]

I do believe that we are now stuck in Iraq and we shouldn’t pull out until we restabilize the country, after all, we destabilized them in the first place

[Belial]

I do believe that we are now stuck in Iraq and we shouldn’t pull out until we restabilize the country, after all, we destabilized them in the first place

So in like 20 years? Because, despite what they have been trying to make you believe, country building doesn't happen in a matter of months or even years, its decades.

[Gundampilotspaz]

I'm pretty such I own the patient on this.

Get your own gimick

[Poophy]

Well are you suggesting that we leave the place worse off then we found it…? Im not suggesting that we set up permanent army posts…

The way that I see it is that every one is trying to prevent another Vietnam, some by pulling out the troops to prevent the situation were we have tons on American solders stuck over there. The others are trying to prevent what happened after we pulled out of Vietnam, were the country falls apart after we leave.

If we were to pull all of our troupes tomorrow, in 6 months I could see the whole country in a civil war and basically the whole place going to hell. On the other hand, if we don’t pull out tomorrow, in 6 months I wouldn’t be surprised if we lost over 350 solders and spend several billion dollars

[Kreutz]

1. In the operations of war,

where there are in the field a thousand swift chariots,

as many heavy chariots, and a hundred thousand

mail-clad soldiers, with provisions enough to carry them

a thousand li, the expenditure at home and at the front,

including entertainment of guests, small items such as

glue and paint, and sums spent on chariots and armor,

will reach the total of a thousand ounces of silver per day.

Such is the cost of raising an army of 100,000 men.

2. When you engage in actual fighting, if victory

is long in coming, then men's weapons will grow dull and

their ardor will be damped. If you lay siege to a town,

you will exhaust your strength.

3. Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources

of the State will not be equal to the strain.

4. Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor damped,

your strength exhausted and your treasure spent,

other chieftains will spring up to take advantage

of your extremity. Then no man, however wise,

will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue.

5. Thus, though we have heard of stupid haste in war,

cleverness has never been seen associated with long delays.

6. There is no instance of a country having benefited

from prolonged warfare.

Either defeat evil of get the fuck out. World War II took this long, and that war involved at least 5 countries, two dictators, and The Fucking Bomb.

[uniform_motion]

Aint no way to delay that trouble coming every day

[Poophy]

If you are expecting a large war you best spend your time preparing and making alliances, not wasting resources and pissing the world off…

[Gundampilotspaz]

So in like 20 years? Because, despite what they have been trying to make you believe, country building doesn't happen in a matter of months or even years, its decades.

[troN]

If i could, i would piss the world off

[Reinas]

I don’t really even see it as a war, a war is typically an open conflict between 2 or more nations. But here there is no real enemy army to fight (that we haven’t already destroyed), there is no enemy territory that we can take (that we haven’t already taken) and theres no one to negotiate a peace treaty with…

So… if you look at it like a war, it becomes unwinnable…

I agree that this war on terror isn't really a war. If a major power wasn't in Iraq (namely the US), then it wouldn't receive as much coverage and attention that it receives now. Besides, what developing country doesn't have terrorists living in their soil?

[Kreutz]

I'm pretty such Hero owns the patent on this.

Get your own gimmick

[Arcane]

I'm pretty such Hero owns the patent on this.

Get your own gimmick

:laugh:

[Venom112]

So in like 20 years? Because, despite what they have been trying to make you believe, country building doesn't happen in a matter of months or even years, its decades.

But Rome was built in a day. Previous statements claimed the contrary, but recent historical evidence proved that Remus and Romulus were responsible for building Rome in a day. Course, that was back when days were years long compared to modern standard time, but that's a technical issue.

Edited December 5, 2005 by Venom112

[Samurai Drifter]

Note- Guy Incognito, please shrink your sig. I don't like having the page enlarged to look at a stupid picture. >.<;;

The war on terror- Well... Saddam should have been taken out of power, he was too big of a threat to the world. I think the motives for entering Iraq were largely ulterior, though, and Bush has undoubtedly lied to the American people on several occasions regarding his motives and the information he has.

We should pull out of Iraq as soon as possible. The middle east will never be peaceful.

[Belial]

What I don't understand is why aren't there protests? Why aren't there people in the streets. Almost half, if not more than half, of the country opposes the War in Iraq and the Patriot Act, but no one is trying to do anything about it.

[Samurai Drifter]

Which reminds me, I should have added...

The patriot act is utter bullshit and should be repealed.

[darkon]

There are protests every so often. The thing is Bush makes sure that when he goes out in public all protestors are kept away from the camera or public eye (So as nobody gets the idea to protest). If people saw more open and public protest, it would snowball.

I'm 1.5 hours away... so hopefully someone with the connections organizes a good protest in the Mall.

[Ceraziefish]

There've been a lot of protests around these parts. I heard there was a big protest in DC a few months ago but I didn't go to it (entirely too expensive) and of course the media didn't say anything about that.

About the war? It's a fucking mess. I think it's possible for the Middle East to be at peace, but part of the problem is that European (and later American) Imperialists keep coming in their and ruining their Christmas. Seriously, what is the country of Israel if not ANOTHER Crusade? There would have been no (good) reason for this current war if Saddam had not been in power, and guess who put him in power? OMGWTF, Americans!

This war is a fucking mess. I don't see what gives us the right to go across the world and tell other people how to do things. If I ran a country it would be largely isolationist.

[uniform_motion]

It's so unromantic to think that their country will have no myth.

I mean, you know like if we had George Washington on tv 24/7...

Also, what a horrible way to start a country, with modern Americans helping.

Until we start running our country better, we can't do this stuff.

Edited December 6, 2005 by Coop