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What is wrong with the government?

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Poophy Post Whore

Poophy

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I have noticed that quite a few people believe that Washington is corrupted and that the federal government blows…but that specifically is wrong with it?

I have personally always believed that the problems of the federal government can all be summed up in 3 points…

1) Lack of accountability… this is what leads to frivolous spending, this is especially true in members of the federal government that are not elected

2) Bureaucracy … this is why the federal government is incapable of doing anything efficiently

3) Corruption… I consider corruption any time that a elected officials considers any person or group above another, or does something to benefit themselves or others over the country as a whole…

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Kreutz Hax

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How so? All citizen are allowed to vote, once they reach a certain age.

Two words: Electoral College. Representatives who are under no obligation to actually represent the people. Disproportionate votes compared to the actual population. The whole thing is obsolete to the point of absurdity. It may have been a necessity back in the 1700's, but there's no excuse to put the voting power of the many into the hands of the few when a vote-for-vote system could easily be instituted, with little to no latency.

Also, not to beat a horse that died in 2000, but there needs to be one type of voting machine, simple to use, and easy to audit. The only excuses for the diverse number of machines and systems in use right now are ignorance and laziness.

TL;DR: Citizens can vote, but that doesn't mean their vote will actually count.

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margot Post Whore

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Right, US is republic not democracy. Electoral college is now obsolete due to mass media, but people are so stuck in their ways and it's easier for government to control outcomes in republic, so don't expect a change.

As for what's wrong I agree with Belial. The rich and fortunate are always going to opress the poor.

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Gundampilotspaz Post Whore

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So you'd be advocating the One World Government, then? How Libertarian of you.

"I wish to make an announcement to the entire world, as of this day, I, Relena Peacecraft have taken on the duties of Chief Representative of the Romefeller Foundation. However, I'm not doing this for the sake of the Romefeller Foundation. I think of this as the first step on a very positive road, and upon this road we can all walk together. We can eliminate wars and create peace. At this time I ask that you all discard your weapons and stop fighting. I'm sure we are all hoping for the same future. So together let us all work together toward these objectives. I am announcing the elimination of all national borders, these borders have been the cause of wars all around the world. I'm declaring one nation, the world nation. "

There is a reason why this didn't work, (other then the poor way it was carried out in the anime, but the quote will stand alone and this will not go into how much Gundam Wing destroyed the Gundam universe forever) the boarder isn't the only thing that causes war. But religous and ethnic loyalties. While I am for global unity, I am also for earth to be devided into tiny sections, each governing themselvs and will little to no interferance from the global government.

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Ceraziefish Post Whore

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I, Relena Peacecraft,

I lol'd.

Seriously, though, that Homer quote? I think it's wrong. I think there should be no leaders, just sort of nondescript organizers who don't have it as an official position and are never the same people. Then, have a true democracy. Not a representational democracy -- true democracy.

That might work. It might not. But there's one way to find out! I'm gonna buy me a farm out in the middle of nowhere and test experimental societies! Who's with me?!

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Gundampilotspaz Post Whore

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I lol'd.

Off handed referance, I always liked that speech, one of the good things to come out of that series. One of the few.

Then, have a true democracy. Not a representational democracy -- true democracy.

"In past history popularly elected governments have been no better and sometimes far worse than overt tyrannies."

- Robert A. Heinlein

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rockerluke Nugs

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Dead people can vote too.

For those wondering.

A bunch of dead people cast ballots in Baltimore City in 2004. Most for Kerry (Which isn't a surprise. Baltimore is probably the 3rd most liberal city in America.)

Yes, I agree. And this is funny indeed. Also there are flying voters, where some people vote twice or more in a single election.

Seriously, though, that Homer quote? I think it's wrong. I think there should be no leaders, just sort of nondescript organizers who don't have it as an official position and are never the same people. Then, have a true democracy. Not a representational democracy -- true democracy.

That might work. It might not. But there's one way to find out! I'm gonna buy me a farm out in the middle of nowhere and test experimental societies! Who's with me?!

This sounds good, but this might turn out to be like an anrchy. Especially in your country which has more than 200 million people (sorry I don't know the exact figure).

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darkon Post Whore

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Anarchy can work. It's just a matter of timing and politics.

Politics and anarchy can never go together.

I agree though that anarcy can work. I always like the natural selection argument in this case. Eventually those who can't survive in anarchy will all die and those that are able to withstand it survive.

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