Gundampilotspaz Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 The pratical uses of communism, the positives and negitives, and any thing else that is even somewhat related can and shall be discussed here. Have fun, you communist dog! Link to comment
Kreutz Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Communism is yet another idea which sounded great on paper, but was forever fucked by human nature. Kinda like religion. Link to comment
margot Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 (edited) Communism doesn't make material gain the ultimate goal in life. The only real argument I've heard against true communism is that communism takes away "what makes us human", meaning competing and gaining materials. Edited November 24, 2005 by turkey Link to comment
uniform_motion Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 (edited) Anyone interested in communism needs to look into the whole Laogai subject. Edited November 24, 2005 by Coop Link to comment
Reinas Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Communism: Theoretically it's wonderful and it works. Realistically, humans are selfish and vain to make it work. Link to comment
HappyLittleBoozer Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Communism... making everyone equal... equally poor, that is. Link to comment
uniform_motion Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Communism... making everyone equal... equally poor, that is. Them rich folks keep getting richer though. Link to comment
Belial Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 I was just wondering, in what way are any of these fucking GPS "Random" SD&D Topics actually random? Do you just flip thru a dictionary and pick a word at random, or do you have some sort of complicated algorithms that randomly selects a topic from a vast list of thousands of possible discussions? Link to comment
margot Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 He is making the old topicss. well give us a TV and a car but deliver us from liberty, huh. Link to comment
Belial Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 As for the topic at hand, I hate it when people say Communism and mean Socialism. Communism never has and never worked because it’s Totalitarianism pretending not to be. Socialism has been working pretty well for the last half century, and probably will continue to thrive thought Europe and the civilized world. Link to comment
margot Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 As for the topic at hand, I hate it when people say Communism and mean Socialism. Communism never has and never worked because it’s Totalitarianism pretending not to be. Socialism has been working pretty well for the last half century, and probably will continue to thrive thought Europe and the civilized world. you can video tape it. Link to comment
darkon Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 This is the most overworked discussion in the post-Cold War era. Communism is something which takes away human dignity. It makes humans simple statistics to a few men controlling the nation however they see fit. Now, capitalism/democracy is no better in the statistics department. But at least those statistics have the option to make a choice for the better and more often than not be able to have any opinion at all. If we lived in Communism, this board would not exist. Link to comment
Gundampilotspaz Posted November 24, 2005 Author Share Posted November 24, 2005 As for the topic at hand, I hate it when people say Communism and mean Socialism. Communism never has and never worked because it’s Totalitarianism pretending not to be. Socialism has been working pretty well for the last half century, and probably will continue to thrive thought Europe and the civilized world. Communism is what the USSR had. communism is what is written in Marx's book. Thats how the history books justify calling the USSR Communist. I was just wondering, in what way are any of these fucking GPS "Random" SD&D Topics actually random? Do you just flip thru a dictionary and pick a word at random, or do you have some sort of complicated algorithms that randomly selects a topic from a vast list of thousands of possible discussions? Normal SD&D threads are started by a news story, or current events. These are topics that we all struggle with but may not come in the news recently or at all. Link to comment
Ceraziefish Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Communism is what the USSR had. communism is what is written in Marx's book. Thats how the history books justify calling the USSR Communist. And did anyone mention the USSR? There's a difference between saying that the USSR was a communist country and not knowing the difference between communism and socialism. On paper, the USSR was a socialist country run by "communists". What many people don't understand is that the ultimate goal of communism is a sort of functional anarchy. You know, that whole 'wearing away of the state' thing that more people would know about if they actually read communist theory. On paper, the US is just a democratic republic. It just happens to be run by capitalists. It is this very fact that gives me hope for the US, actually. Link to comment
Poophy Posted November 26, 2005 Share Posted November 26, 2005 Every one seems to see communism as a form of government, not as a form of economy. Just because a government controls the economy it doesn’t mean that it has to be an oppressive totalitarian state. If communism has any form of government that it should be associated with its something much more similar to democracy. The point of communism was to take the power way from the aristocrats and give it to the masses. Link to comment
James_xeno Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 communism would never work on a large scale and could not logically be applied on a small scale because there will always be outside influences forcing the communism to break at certain points (electing leaders, dealing with currency, etc.) and the very individuals within it will eventually cause it to break. As an ideal, it's attractive only to the ignorant. While a perfect world of no strife, no poor, no famine or hunger, (even though everyone would be) no troubles, sounds wonderful, there is no conflict, and without conflict, all those noble things that people value so much, ability in the face of adversity, honor, individuality, strength, nobility, mean nothing. communism is, at it's core, a rot, a stagnation of human ability and society. Therefore, while some call it the "Perfect system," I for one, would never like to live under its influence. Very limited socialism in a democratic republic, on the other hand is a different story. I'm not going to get in to it tonight though. I'll leave you with this quote. I'm just going to say right here that legal equality is necessary, social equality is shite. Fundementally, differences are unequal. If two things are not the same, then one must be better than the other. Equality on such a drastic scale as communism fundementally removes any and all individual autonomy, because it doesn't allow the individual that necessary difference. Difference is what makes you individual. Equality is over rated. Absolute equality fundementally dehuminizes people. It reverts them into a forced, horrific external equality. Link to comment
Arcane Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Screw communism! Give me Commujism any day of the week! Link to comment
amy Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 yeah, I mean the idea that your situation won't change no matter how hard you work or how talented you are O_o that doesn't seem feasible Link to comment
Belial Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Well in an ideal socialist society everyone can have everything they want. However, no one wants more then what they truely need. Link to comment
Kreutz Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Well in an ideal socialist society everyone can have everything they want. However, no one wants more then what they truely need. That's precisely the problem. Human nature is to take what you need, then take what you might need later, then take what you don't really need but would look really cool in your living room. Socialism never took that into account (not that I remember, anyway). Link to comment
Battle_Pope Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 I know I did this before but: MUST CRUSH CAPITALISM! GRRR! Link to comment
Belial Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 That's precisely the problem. Human nature is to take what you need, then take what you might need later, then take what you don't really need but would look really cool in your living room. Socialism never took that into account (not that I remember, anyway). Human Nature? Well, I guess I'm not human, since I really don't need to have lots of stuff to make my life valuable. Go figure. Link to comment
Kreutz Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Human Nature? Well, I guess I'm not human, since I really don't need to have lots of stuff to make my life valuable. Go figure. Well, you'd be in the minority then. Congrats. Link to comment
rockerluke Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I don't like communism. It's like you do all the hard work, and somebody else will enjoy the fruits. It's unfair to the part of hard-working capitalists, and favorable to the part of lazy assholes. I'm not saying I don't want to help anybody, but why should people just sleeping and lying down all day get what they don't deserve? Link to comment
uniform_motion Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 I agree with Socialism, but a very defined one. "It is clear, then, that no Authoritarian Socialism will do. For while under the present system a very large number of people can lead lives of a certain amount of freedom and expression and happiness, under an industrial-barrack system, or a system of economic tyranny, nobody would be able to have any such freedom at all. It is to be regretted that a portion of our community should be practically in slavery, but to propose to solve the problem by enslaving the entire community is childish. Every man must be left quite free to choose his own work. No form of compulsion must be exercised over him. If there is, his work will not be good for him, will not be good in itself, and will not be good for others. And by work I simply mean activity of any kind. I hardly think that any Socialist, nowadays, would seriously propose that an inspector should call every morning at each house to see that each citizen rose up and did manual labour for eight hours. Humanity has got beyond that stage, and reserves such a form of life for the people whom, in a very arbitrary manner, it chooses to call criminals. But I confess that many of the socialistic views that I have come across seem to me to be tainted with ideas of authority, if not of actual compulsion. Of course, authority and compulsion are out of the question. All association must be quite voluntary. It is only in voluntary associations that man is fine." -- Oscar Wilde In which I might also agree with Anarchy. Although, not for America right now. Anarchy, right now, would be devastatingly brutal to many countries and people/etc. Link to comment
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