The GPS Random SD&D Topic #2: Communism

[Gundampilotspaz]

The pratical uses of communism, the positives and negitives, and any thing else that is even somewhat related can and shall be discussed here.

Have fun, you communist dog!

[Kreutz]

Communism is yet another idea which sounded great on paper, but was forever fucked by human nature. Kinda like religion.

[margot]

Communism doesn't make material gain the ultimate goal in life.

The only real argument I've heard against true communism is that communism takes away "what makes us human", meaning competing and gaining materials.

Edited November 24, 2005 by turkey

[uniform_motion]

Anyone interested in communism needs to look into the whole Laogai subject.

Edited November 24, 2005 by Coop

[Reinas]

Communism: Theoretically it's wonderful and it works. Realistically, humans are selfish and vain to make it work.

[HappyLittleBoozer]

Communism... making everyone equal... equally poor, that is.

[uniform_motion]

Communism... making everyone equal... equally poor, that is.

Them rich folks keep getting richer though.

[Belial]

I was just wondering, in what way are any of these fucking GPS "Random" SD&D Topics actually random? Do you just flip thru a dictionary and pick a word at random, or do you have some sort of complicated algorithms that randomly selects a topic from a vast list of thousands of possible discussions?

[margot]

He is making the old topicss.

well give us a TV and a car but deliver us from liberty, huh.

[Belial]

As for the topic at hand, I hate it when people say Communism and mean Socialism. Communism never has and never worked because it’s Totalitarianism pretending not to be. Socialism has been working pretty well for the last half century, and probably will continue to thrive thought Europe and the civilized world.

[margot]

As for the topic at hand, I hate it when people say Communism and mean Socialism. Communism never has and never worked because it’s Totalitarianism pretending not to be. Socialism has been working pretty well for the last half century, and probably will continue to thrive thought Europe and the civilized world.

you can video tape it.

[darkon]

This is the most overworked discussion in the post-Cold War era.

Communism is something which takes away human dignity. It makes humans simple statistics to a few men controlling the nation however they see fit. Now, capitalism/democracy is no better in the statistics department. But at least those statistics have the option to make a choice for the better and more often than not be able to have any opinion at all.

If we lived in Communism, this board would not exist.

[Gundampilotspaz]

As for the topic at hand, I hate it when people say Communism and mean Socialism. Communism never has and never worked because it’s Totalitarianism pretending not to be. Socialism has been working pretty well for the last half century, and probably will continue to thrive thought Europe and the civilized world.

Communism is what the USSR had.

communism is what is written in Marx's book.

Thats how the history books justify calling the USSR Communist.

I was just wondering, in what way are any of these fucking GPS "Random" SD&D Topics actually random? Do you just flip thru a dictionary and pick a word at random, or do you have some sort of complicated algorithms that randomly selects a topic from a vast list of thousands of possible discussions?

Normal SD&D threads are started by a news story, or current events. These are topics that we all struggle with but may not come in the news recently or at all.

[Ceraziefish]

Communism is what the USSR had.

communism is what is written in Marx's book.

Thats how the history books justify calling the USSR Communist.

And did anyone mention the USSR? There's a difference between saying that the USSR was a communist country and not knowing the difference between communism and socialism.

On paper, the USSR was a socialist country run by "communists". What many people don't understand is that the ultimate goal of communism is a sort of functional anarchy. You know, that whole 'wearing away of the state' thing that more people would know about if they actually read communist theory.

On paper, the US is just a democratic republic. It just happens to be run by capitalists. It is this very fact that gives me hope for the US, actually.

[Poophy]

Every one seems to see communism as a form of government, not as a form of economy. Just because a government controls the economy it doesn’t mean that it has to be an oppressive totalitarian state. If communism has any form of government that it should be associated with its something much more similar to democracy. The point of communism was to take the power way from the aristocrats and give it to the masses.

[James_xeno]

communism would never work on a large scale and could not logically be applied on a small scale because there will always be outside influences forcing the communism to break at certain points (electing leaders, dealing with currency, etc.) and the very individuals within it will eventually cause it to break. As an ideal, it's attractive only to the ignorant. While a perfect world of no strife, no poor, no famine or hunger, (even though everyone would be) no troubles, sounds wonderful, there is no conflict, and without conflict, all those noble things that people value so much, ability in the face of adversity, honor, individuality, strength, nobility, mean nothing. communism is, at it's core, a rot, a stagnation of human ability and society. Therefore, while some call it the "Perfect system," I for one, would never like to live under its influence.

Very limited socialism in a democratic republic, on the other hand is a different story. I'm not going to get in to it tonight though.

I'll leave you with this quote.

I'm just going to say right here that legal equality is necessary, social equality is shite. Fundementally, differences are unequal. If two things are not the same, then one must be better than the other. Equality on such a drastic scale as communism fundementally removes any and all individual autonomy, because it doesn't allow the individual that necessary difference.

Difference is what makes you individual. Equality is over rated.

Absolute equality fundementally dehuminizes people. It reverts them into a forced, horrific external equality.

[Arcane]

Screw communism! Give me Commujism any day of the week!

[amy]

yeah, I mean the idea that your situation won't change no matter how hard you work or how talented you are O_o that doesn't seem feasible

[Belial]

Well in an ideal socialist society everyone can have everything they want. However, no one wants more then what they truely need.

[Kreutz]

Well in an ideal socialist society everyone can have everything they want. However, no one wants more then what they truely need.

That's precisely the problem. Human nature is to take what you need, then take what you might need later, then take what you don't really need but would look really cool in your living room. Socialism never took that into account (not that I remember, anyway).

[Battle_Pope]

I know I did this before but:

MUST CRUSH CAPITALISM! GRRR!

[Belial]

That's precisely the problem. Human nature is to take what you need, then take what you might need later, then take what you don't really need but would look really cool in your living room. Socialism never took that into account (not that I remember, anyway).

Human Nature? Well, I guess I'm not human, since I really don't need to have lots of stuff to make my life valuable.

Go figure.

[Kreutz]

Human Nature? Well, I guess I'm not human, since I really don't need to have lots of stuff to make my life valuable.

Go figure.

Well, you'd be in the minority then. Congrats.

[rockerluke]

I don't like communism. It's like you do all the hard work, and somebody else will enjoy the fruits. It's unfair to the part of hard-working capitalists, and favorable to the part of lazy assholes.

I'm not saying I don't want to help anybody, but why should people just sleeping and lying down all day get what they don't deserve?

[uniform_motion]

I agree with Socialism, but a very defined one.

"It is clear, then, that no Authoritarian Socialism will do. For while under the present system a very large number of people can lead lives of a certain amount of freedom and expression and happiness, under an industrial-barrack system, or a system of economic tyranny, nobody would be able to have any such freedom at all. It is to be regretted that a portion of our community should be practically in slavery, but to propose to solve the problem by enslaving the entire community is childish. Every man must be left quite free to choose his own work. No form of compulsion must be exercised over him. If there is, his work will not be good for him, will not be good in itself, and will not be good for others. And by work I simply mean activity of any kind.

I hardly think that any Socialist, nowadays, would seriously propose that an inspector should call every morning at each house to see that each citizen rose up and did manual labour for eight hours. Humanity has got beyond that stage, and reserves such a form of life for the people whom, in a very arbitrary manner, it chooses to call criminals. But I confess that many of the socialistic views that I have come across seem to me to be tainted with ideas of authority, if not of actual compulsion. Of course, authority and compulsion are out of the question. All association must be quite voluntary. It is only in voluntary associations that man is fine."

-- Oscar Wilde

In which I might also agree with Anarchy. Although, not for America right now.

Anarchy, right now, would be devastatingly brutal to many countries and people/etc.