Asshat cops

[No Sad Endings]

Scenario:

You're a man at home with your young daughter. It's the middle of the night. You live in a bad neighborhood. Men dressed in black paramilitary gear come busting into your house unannounced - they do not shout out that they're police, or anything. What would you do?

In Cory Maye's case, he shot at them. He hit one of them in the abdomen, and the bullet went in just below his vest, and killed him. As it turns out, they were the police - and they were storming the wrong appartment. Maye lived in a duplex, and apparently these cops were too fucking stupid to have done enough research to know that the building they were storming contained not one but two residences - and thus thought that Maye's door was a side entrance to the apartment they were actually supposed to be raiding.

Cory Maye did what anyone would do, right? Clear case of self-defense, right? There shouldn't even be anything to charge him with, since it was the police who were in the wrong, right?

Well, right now Cory Maye is sitting on death row.

As it turns out, Cory Maye is black. The guy he shot was white. And the son of the police chief. He was tried by an all-white jury, in the state of Missisipi. The jury convicted him, sentencing him to death row. And according to two of the jurors interviewed after the sentencing, he was sentenced primarily for two reasons - the first being that the jury felt insulted by the lawyer's closing "threat" that if they neglected to bestow mercy on Maye, then God might neglect to bestow mercy on them; and the second being that they essentially felt that Maye was a spoiled brat with no respect for authority figures. Facts of the case? Who needs 'em!

What the shit. Sometimes I hate my country. And it's because of shit like this that I am totally against this whole "jury by peers" bullcrap. Sorry, but my "peers" are largely flaming morons, who have no criteria with which to judge me on. God forbid I ever get accused of any serious crime.

[stranger]

Hmm, sucks for Corey.

The cops didn't do anything to him to provoke the shooting though. Yeah, I understand that they busted into his house, but it's not really self defense until he's actually defending himself...

[Arcane]

While I don't think he should have gotten away scot-free from shooting an officer, he definately should not be on death row. This Cory fellow certainly acted rashly, so I think he should still be punished in some way, but execution is certainly too much.

[Samurai Drifter]

As it turns out, Cory Maye is black. The guy he shot was white. And the son of the police chief. He was tried by an all-white jury, in the state of Missisipi.

Yep, he's fucked.

the first being that the jury felt insulted by the lawyer's closing "threat" that if they neglected to bestow mercy on Maye, then God might neglect to bestow mercy on them;

What the hell?!

and the second being that they essentially felt that Maye was a spoiled brat with no respect for authority figures.

...yeah, THAT makes sense.

What the shit. Sometimes I hate my country. And it's because of shit like this that I am totally against this whole "jury by peers" bullcrap. Sorry, but my "peers" are largely flaming morons, who have no criteria with which to judge me on. God forbid I ever get accused of any serious crime.

Also, this reconfirms that I hate the south (no offense Vampy, but I hate it). A good half of my family lives in Charlotte or the surrounding area and at least a couple of them are the biggest bible thumping hicks I've ever seen. (Including one cousin who failed 3 grades and dropped out of school to be a missionary. FYI, he thinks makeup is evil.)

Edited December 12, 2005 by Samurai Drifter

[Reinas]

I think everyone's jumping on the 'blame the cops' bandwagon too quickly. I'm not saying the cops aren't to blame, but Cory Maye isn't exactly innocent here either.

Unless the cop died, he shouldn't be on death row. But he shouldn't be released without any minor charges. He could've prevented this from happenening had he spoken up to warn the intruders if they came any closer he would shoot. Cops don't normally go shouting the fact that they're cops when they're raiding because it would just warn everyone else in the residence they were raiding and it'd be stupid thing to do.

And yes, the cops should have done their research. In this case both parties are to blame for what happened. Cory Maye for resorting to violence as his first defense and the cops for being stupid.

[Venom112]

The cops didn't do anything to him to provoke the shooting though. Yeah, I understand that they busted into his house, but it's not really self defense until he's actually defending himself...

Perhaps, but property is essentially thought to be almost an extension of an individual, so if someone breaks into your residence unannounced/uninvited, then one has the right to protect their property. Therefore, it would still fall under self-defense, even if the people breaking in had no intention of bringing harm to the resident.

[darkon]

I stopped reading at "Cory Maye is black."

No point explaining anything, there is no question if he were white he would not be on death row. I have friends whose parents are cops and apparently this stuff happens semi-frequently. Hell, in Baltimore I know of some instances where cops have been shot at by people who did not know they were cops. Namely undercover cops and such.

[Gundampilotspaz]

Man kills twenty men in cold blood and rapes their corpes in the north, they can't use capital punishment.

Man protects his home in the south, KILL HIM.

[darkon]

Man kills twenty men in cold blood and rapes their corpes in the north, they can't use capital punishment.

Man protects his home in the south, KILL HIM.

I thought only Vermont had banned capital punishment?

[Gundampilotspaz]

I thought only Vermont had banned capital punishment?

Most New England states haven't used it in 20+ years.

(unless recently, I'm not sure)

[darkon]

Most New England states haven't used it in 20+ years.

(unless recently, I'm not sure)

Well, I know it hasn't really been used. If I recall isn't Maryland one of the few east coast blue states that uses capital punishment fairly often?

[Pamuya]

WV doesn't have capital punishment.

[No Sad Endings]

Hmm, sucks for Corey.

The cops didn't do anything to him to provoke the shooting though. Yeah, I understand that they busted into his house, but it's not really self defense until he's actually defending himself...

THEY BUSTED INTO HIS HOUSE IN PARAMILITARY GEAR WAVING GUNS AND HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK WAS GOING ON.

You wanna tell me how that's not self-defense? When someone busts into my house dressed all in black and waving guns around, HELL FUCKING YEAH I think they're there to kill my ass.

While I don't think he should have gotten away scot-free from shooting an officer, he definately should not be on death row. This Cory fellow certainly acted rashly, so I think he should still be punished in some way, but execution is certainly too much.

DID YOU EVEN FUCKING READ THE ARTICLE?! He didn't know it was an officer! He thought his motherfucking house was under attack! It's the middle of the night, you're fast asleep, and someone breaks down your door waving a gun?! What the fuck are YOU gonna do?!

I think everyone's jumping on the 'blame the cops' bandwagon too quickly. I'm not saying the cops aren't to blame, but Cory Maye isn't exactly innocent here either.

Unless the cop died, he shouldn't be on death row. But he shouldn't be released without any minor charges. He could've prevented this from happenening had he spoken up to warn the intruders if they came any closer he would shoot. Cops don't normally go shouting the fact that they're cops when they're raiding because it would just warn everyone else in the residence they were raiding and it'd be stupid thing to do.

Right, because intruders wearing full body armor and waving guns ALWAYS listen to your threat to shoot before they shoot you.

And yes, it would be SO moronic to protect the lives of both cops and innocent victims wrongly accused of a crime.

Wtf, no-knock raids make no SENSE, what are you smoking?

And yes, the cops should have done their research. In this case both parties are to blame for what happened. Cory Maye for resorting to violence as his first defense and the cops for being stupid.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE. Resorting to violence as his first offense?! AGAIN, there were MEN IN FULL FUCKING BODY ARMOR INTRUDING HIS HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING NIGHT AND HE HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON. Not only that but he lived in a bad neighborhood and had every reason to expect the intruders were going to kill him immediately without warning.

Have you people even thought about this? What the hell would you do, abruptly woken up in the middle of the night like this? You're saying, when confronted with an armored assailant, and on a sleep-fogged mind, no less, you would think things out logically, "Oh, these people could be here to kill me; on the other hand they could be cops; whatever they are, I better threaten them to get out even though they have the obvious advantage in firepower and numbers and protection, nevermind I have my life and my daughter's life to protect, because you know, in case they're cops and all, I gotta BE CAUTIOUS."

NO MOTHERFUCKER. YOU WOULD SHOOT THEIR ASSES.

Edited December 12, 2005 by Liminal Faery

[No Sad Endings]

Perhaps, but property is essentially thought to be almost an extension of an individual, so if someone breaks into your residence unannounced/uninvited, then one has the right to protect their property. Therefore, it would still fall under self-defense, even if the people breaking in had no intention of bringing harm to the resident.

Well... yes, that too.

ps - the limit on the number of quotes you can have in a reply is RIDICULOUSLY SMALL OMFG.

[Makil]

I'm not 100% positive, but I think it's SOP for cops to inform that they're police before they start doing a raid. Especially with guns drawn.

[Arcane]

DID YOU EVEN FUCKING READ THE ARTICLE?! He didn't know it was an officer! He thought his motherfucking house was under attack! It's the middle of the night, you're fast asleep, and someone breaks down your door waving a gun?! What the fuck are YOU gonna do?!

Ummm... I don't have a gun, so I wouldn't shoot them, that's for sure.

[No Sad Endings]

Well neither do I, but if I did I sure as hell would.

[thebornotaku]

america sucks, end of story.

we live in such a stupid and racist country, it makes me sick. i want to move to england or canada or some shit like that.

[thebornotaku]

DID YOU EVEN FUCKING READ THE ARTICLE?! He didn't know it was an officer! He thought his motherfucking house was under attack! It's the middle of the night, you're fast asleep, and someone breaks down your door waving a gun?! What the fuck are YOU gonna do?!

i don't have a gun, but i have several knives and a sword. i would probably end up stabbing/cutting somebody or attempting at least, especially if i lived in a bad neighborhood.

[No Sad Endings]

Not england, dude. It's way worse in England. You can't even legally protect yourself in england.

[thebornotaku]

Not england, dude. It's way worse in England. You can't even legally protect yourself in england.

then canada. some place where even if we get less rights, people arent dumbass fucktard cuntwaffles.

[No Sad Endings]

I'm not 100% positive, but I think it's SOP for cops to inform that they're police before they start doing a raid. Especially with guns drawn.

It is, but there's such a thing as a no-knock raid, where you have a warrent that allows you to break into someone's home without announcing yourself. It's for the purpose of catching people unawares, so they don't have any chance to hide the drugs or wtfever.

It's moronic. It costs lives, of both cops, criminals, and innocents.

[No Sad Endings]

then canada. some place where even if we get less rights, people arent dumbass fucktard cuntwaffles.

Sorry I have to be the one to break it to you, but dumbass fucktard cuntwaffles know no barriers of race, nationality or religion. They're everywhere.

[thebornotaku]

It is, but there's such a thing as a no-knock raid, where you have a warrent that allows you to break into someone's home without announcing yourself. It's for the purpose of catching people unawares, so they don't have any chance to hide the drugs or wtfever.

It's moronic. It costs lives, of both cops, criminals, and innocents.

indeed it is moronic. the fact that they even made the mistake in the first place is moronic. yesh, he shot and killed an officer. but the eventually found out that they stormed the wrong apartment, did they not? he should have been let off with a much lighter sentence, say, a week in jail or so. but not the death penalty.

that's all it is, it's moronic. somebody got eager and jumped the gun, so an innocent parent got sentenced to death.

fuck america.

[thebornotaku]

Sorry I have to be the one to break it to you, but dumbass fucktard cuntwaffles know no barriers of race, nationality or religion. They're everywhere.

i realize this, but it would be nice to be in a palce where those dumbass fucktard cuntwaffles arent the authorities, because it really says something about america.