Jump to content
Accelerated Evolution

U.S. agents question teen


Recommended Posts

A 14 year old girl got taken away in the middle of a biology class by two secret service agents to an interrogation because she had a pic that read "Kill Bush" on her myspace site.

October 13, 2006 Friday

METRO FINAL EDITION

SECTION: MAIN NEWS; Pg. A1

LENGTH: 1038 words

HEADLINE: U.S. agents question teen;

Girl ran anti-Bush page on MySpace

BYLINE: Laurel Rosenhall and Ryan Lillis Bee Staff Writers

The latest Sacramento resident to be questioned by federal agents in possible threats against President Bush is a 14-year-old girl with a heart on her backpack and braces on her teeth, a freckle-nosed adolescent who is passionate about liberal politics and cute movie stars.

Her name is Julia Wilson, and she learned a vivid civics lesson Wednesday when two Secret Service agents pulled her out of biology class at McClatchy High School to ask about comments and images she posted on MySpace.

Beneath the words "Kill Bush," Julia posted a cartoonish photo-collage of a knife stabbing the hand of the president. It was one of a few images Julia said she used to decorate an anti-Bush Web page she moderated on MySpace, the social networking Web site that is hugely popular among teenagers.

The Secret Service refused to answer questions about the case or even confirm an investigation. Eric Zahren, a Secret Service spokesman, said the agency does not discuss its work "due to the sensitivity of our mission."

But Julia's mother, Kirstie Wilson, and an assistant principal at McClatchy High said two agents showed them badges stating they were with the Secret Service and the Department of Homeland Security.

Federal law prohibits making serious threats against the president, and Julia and her parents say what she did was wrong.

The couple are disturbed, however, that federal agents questioned a child at school -- without her parents present. And First Amendment lawyers question whether the Secret Service over-reacted to a 14-year-old's comments on a Web site made for casual socializing.

"I don't condone what she did, but it seems a little over the top to me," said Julia's father, Jim Moose. "You'd think they could look at the situation and determine that she's not a credible threat."

Earlier this month, federal officials arrested two Sacramento-area men for allegedly threatening the president. Elk Grove resident Michael Lee Braun has been charged with sending two threatening letters to the El Dorado Hills country club where Bush recently made an appearance. Rocklin resident Howard J. Kinsey is accused of threatening the president through a text message.

Here is how Julia Wilson's family tells their story:

Two Secret Service agents arrived at their Land Park home about 2:30 Wednesday afternoon, Kirstie Wilson said. They told her they wanted to speak with her daughter about threats to the president that she had posted on MySpace.

"She was in molecular biology, and I said I really didn't want to take her out of class for this," Kirstie Wilson said. "I said I'd make sure she came right home from school."

She asked the agents to come back in an hour, and they left.

Then Wilson sent her daughter a text message instructing her to come straight home from school.

"... there are two men from the secret service that want to talk with you. Apparently you made some death threats against president bush. Dont worry youre not going to jail or anything like that but they take these things very seriously these days," Kirstie Wilson wrote.

"Are you serious!?!? omg. Am I in a lot of trouble"? her daughter replied, using common teenage shorthand for "Oh, my God."

Kirstie Wilson called her husband. While they were on the phone, she received another text message from her daughter: "They took me out of class."

It was a 15- to 20-minute interview, Julia said. Agents asked her about her father's job, her e-mail address, and her Social Security number. They asked about the MySpace page she had created last year as an eighth-grader at Sutter Middle School.

"I told them I just really don't agree with Bush's politics," Julia said Thursday. "I don't have any plans of harming Bush in any way. I'm very peaceful; I just don't like Bush."

The MySpace page under question was a group page, similar to an online club.

Most of the groups Julia is a part of are fan clubs for movie stars like Jake Gyllenhaal and Ewan McGregor. The group that got her in trouble was called something like "People who want to stab Bush" -- Julia said she doesn't remember the exact name because she soon changed it.

After an eighth-grade history lesson in which she learned that threatening the president is against the law, Julia said she changed the group name to "So Bush is an idiot but hey what else is new?"

The group primarily consisted of her teenage friends who share her liberal political interests, Julia said. She deleted the group page over the summer when she decided that MySpace was juvenile and taking up too much time.

Moose and Wilson say they had no idea what their daughter had posted online.

"I was more than happy to have them talk to her about the severity of what she did. But I wanted to be here with her," Kirstie Wilson said.

McClatchy Assistant Principal Paul Belluomini said he usually does not notify parents when law enforcement officials come to school to interview students.

"Parents usually interfere with an investigation, so we usually don't notify them until it's done," he said.

Sacramento City Unified School District policy calls for parents to be notified but doesn't say whether it should happen before or after a student is interviewed. State law doesn't require parental notification.

In any case, said Ann Brick, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California, Julia Wilson's post did not sound like a "true threat" to the president, making it political speech that is protected by the First Amendment.

"The courts have to distinguish between political rhetoric and hyperbole and a real threat," Brick said. "A reasonable person would have to interpret what was said as indication of a serious intent to commit harm."

Peter Scheer, executive director of the California First Amendment Coalition, said in the current political climate, "the threshold that brings (agents) in has gotten lower."

"It's a cautionary tale for kids who are on MySpace that putting something on MySpace like 'Kill the President' is not the same as saying it on e-mail or over the phone," Scheer said. "The government is not systematically listening to all phone calls or going through e-mails, but it probably does search the Internet."

Link to comment

using common teenage shorthand for "Oh, my God."

WTF! That’s what OMG means!

But in all seriousness… nothing really outrageous here, it would have been better if the agents could have just waited for the girl to come home, but no one violated any laws or guidelines. The fact is that a kid with a gun can kill someone as easily as an adult with a gun, so simply fallowing up on a threat isn’t unreasonable.

Please note children: people are watching what you say and do on the Internet; your school, your government, and strangers, don’t say anything that you don’t wont to be held responsible for…

Link to comment

WTF! That’s what OMG means!

But in all seriousness… nothing really outrageous here, it would have been better if the agents could have just waited for the girl to come home, but no one violated any laws or guidelines. The fact is that a kid with a gun can kill someone as easily as an adult with a gun, so simply fallowing up on a threat isn’t unreasonable.

Please note children: people are watching what you say and do on the Internet; your school, your government, and strangers, don’t say anything that you don’t wont to be held responsible for…

Are you joking?

Link to comment

WTF! That’s what OMG means!

But in all seriousness… nothing really outrageous here, it would have been better if the agents could have just waited for the girl to come home, but no one violated any laws or guidelines. The fact is that a kid with a gun can kill someone as easily as an adult with a gun, so simply fallowing up on a threat isn’t unreasonable.

Please note children: people are watching what you say and do on the Internet; your school, your government, and strangers, don’t say anything that you don’t wont to be held responsible for…

At least they didn't ACTUALLY kill Bush (follow me on this one). If they had killed him, we'd have the VICE president, and he'd probably take us all on hunting trips...

I agree that investigating is the logical choice. However, it was a 14 yr. old girl, and I don't think she REALLY meant any harm. And the fact that they sent the Secret Service is just stupid. The FBI would have done just fine. Something tells me the that the Government was just bored.

Link to comment

umm no offense.. I dislike what Mr. Dubya says alot, but you know good and god damn well that security is so tight you could shit a diamond, and following up on threats to the president well mostly happen no matter what, I understand the 1st amendent and all that, but still they take that as a direct threat.

Link to comment

And so this law about not threatening the president doesn't violate the first amendment how?

And when does it stop? Saying "I'll be glad when Bush isn't President anymore" could be extrapolated as saying "I'll be glad when someone kills Bush." This law is made by those of little imagination to control those of little intelligence, and is therefore fascism.

EDIT: Also, GPS, communism isn't meant to restrict freedom. I'm sorry, but that's not the point. Hate the Soviets or Chinese if you want, they're fascists, but Communism has nothing to do with freedom or lack thereof.

Link to comment

Communism and Fascism are almost polar oposites....

On paper...

When one man (Stalin or Mao) rules the entire government without questions, a government that controls every facet of its citizen's lives, it starts to look a whole fucking lot like Fascism.

Dictionary.com:

Fascism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Yep, that was the USSR and China.

Link to comment

On paper...

When one man (Stalin or Mao) rules the entire government without questions, a government that controls every facet of its citizen's lives, it starts to look a whole fucking lot like Fascism.

Dictionary.com:

Fascism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Yep, that was the USSR and China.

Neither the USSR nor China was a communist country. They were socialist countries ruled by dictators who corrupted the ideas of Marx into something sickening.

I'm no communist but the fact is that communism is definitely preferable to whatever was going on in those countries.

I mean, Stalinism is totally hypocritical. The people need to seize power under one strong leader? It's basically Tsarist Russia again but they hate capitalists.

Link to comment

I feel it's time I interrupt to tell you that not even Marx himself was a Marxist. He had servants in his house who he treated quite poorly among other luxuries of the upper class.

That said, he was right that the difference in wealth and classes is the sole cause of each and everyone of the world's conflicts since the dawn of time. I'm paraphrasing, but that is pretty much it. If we all looked, talked, thought, and most importantly had exactly the same we would be free of conflict. Instead we have free thinking and as a result everything goes to hell.

Link to comment

None of the communists countries were/are Marxist based ideologies, they were just 'modified.'

In fact the only nations that have followed Marxism are most Capitalist nations alive today, only thing thats prevented any progression (in the terms of the Marxist ideology) is/were Unions.

Back on topic....

Kill bush

Maybe that will get me outta work someday.

Link to comment

And so this law about not threatening the president doesn't violate the first amendment how?

And when does it stop? Saying "I'll be glad when Bush isn't President anymore" could be extrapolated as saying "I'll be glad when someone kills Bush." This law is made by those of little imagination to control those of little intelligence, and is therefore fascism.

EDIT: Also, GPS, communism isn't meant to restrict freedom. I'm sorry, but that's not the point. Hate the Soviets or Chinese if you want, they're fascists, but Communism has nothing to do with freedom or lack thereof.

NO no no.. I'm sorry (i.e. I love) to have to break it to all the delusional dreamers out there. But what you see is what you get with Ccommunism. (In practise.) End of story!

Ccommunism + reality = Soviet Union/communist China.

It's as simple as that. You would think that 150 million lives, at least, would be enough already. (That's 150,000,000 at least!) But I guess it's true that you could never stop stupid people from dreaming.

Link to comment

NO no no.. I'm sorry (i.e. I love) to have to break it to all the delusional dreamers out there. But what you see is what you get with Ccommunism. (In practise.) End of story!

Ccommunism + reality = Soviet Union/communist China.

It's as simple as that. You would think that 150 million lives, at least, would be enough already. (That's 150,000,000 at least!) But I guess it's true that you could never stop stupid people from dreaming.

You're a cunt.

EDIT: Not that it will make any difference, but I'll defend these ideas that aren't even mine. The Soviet Union and Communist China were not communist countries. End of story. Communism doesn't lend itself towards fascism any more than limited capitalism (i.e. what the U.S. is using right now) does.

Don't call me stupid or a delusional dreamer. I don't support communism. I am not a communist. Horrible things happened in the name of communism, just like horrible things have happened and are happening in the name of democracy. Does that mean I shouldn't support democracy? Maybe so, maybe so, I'm still thinking about that one.

In closing, you're still a cunt.

Link to comment

No need for name calling people, this is a debate, not a place for such vulgarity.

Russia + Bolshevicks [sp] + Marxist ideologies + trip to industrialized germany + we dont wanna go through all Marxs steps to get to the end goal * cutting corners & skipping steps in marxism=USSR

China * Mao(Soviet assistence(insert USSR formula from above here)) + Mao's constant struggle ideology & practice=Communist China / (approved zones for foreign capitalism & industrialization)

Don't confuse Marxism with the current reality of Communism, neither followed his 'plan'

Link to comment

You can say “I want to kill bush!” just not “im going to kill bush” or “KILL BUSH!!!”

Is it a restriction on free speech? Yes

Is it ridiculous? Yes

What are the chances of an actual would-be assassin posting their intention on the internet? Virtual none

Personally I believe that there are many more injustices being committed against free speech, with absolutely no practical purpose, that are worse than this…

Link to comment

Communism isn't possible. Anyone who believes so is lost in a magical fantasy world of faries and unicorns.

It is a wonderful idea, but will always fall into the pit and become socialism as a means to reach perfect communism. But the government will never release their grasp on the people.

I'd LOVE for communism to work! I wouldn't have to do shit! It'd be great!

But, unfortunately, there won't be any for a very long time. If ever.

Link to comment

Communism isn't possible. Anyone who believes so is lost in a magical fantasy world of faries and unicorns.

It is a wonderful idea, but will always fall into the pit and become socialism as a means to reach perfect communism. But the government will never release their grasp on the people.

I'd LOVE for communism to work! I wouldn't have to do shit! It'd be great!

But, unfortunately, there won't be any for a very long time. If ever.

Communism works if one assumes a rational populace. However, and Freud and Jung agree on this, the human race is anything but rational. It has been suggested by futurists that an advanced enough AI system can certainly create a beneficial marxist economic structure... but that's decades away.

Link to comment

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...