Human remains found at 9/11 site... 5 years later.

[Crube]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6070206.stm

Anger as new 9/11 remains found.

Human remains - some as large as arm or leg bones - have been found at the site of the 11 September attacks in New York, AP news agency has reported.

The remains were found in rubble excavated from a manhole near the site of the World Trade Center.

Relatives say the find proves the need for a thorough new search of the area around Ground Zero. "We can no longer rely on accidental discoveries," said WTC Families for Proper Burial in a statement. "This must be a deliberate search. May this awful news be the catalyst needed to go back and do the job well."

Families of more than 1,100 of the victims of 9/11 have never received any remains of their loved ones. The campaign group is to hold a news conference over the latest discovery later on Friday.

The material excavated from the manholes was removed from the site without anyone noticing it contained the remains, said utility company Consolidated Edison. On Thursday, the Port Authority contractor spotted the remains, the agency said. Some of the remains were as big as arm or leg bones, said Steve Coleman, a spokesman for the Port Authority.

Construction workers have been instructed to look for human remains and notify the medical examiner's office when they find them.

"No official identifications have been made at this time and the New York City Police Department and the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner are heading up the investigation," said Patrick J Brennan of the Mayor's Community Assistance Unit was quoted by the AP news agency.

The discovery comes just weeks after the fifth anniversary of the attacks. Earlier this year, construction workers in New York discovered 74 bone fragments from 9/11 victims. The remains were found mixed in with roofing material at the condemned Deutsche Bank building, which stands next to Ground Zero.

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It's almost as though 10 million tons of rubble had covered them.

[Gundampilotspaz]

I read this eariler today, a real shame...

[Nega-Brent]

It's not a shame, it's life, get over it. Fast forward fifty years and nobody will give a damn, so why do you? If those remains were left there under different circumstances nobody would care, it probably wouldn't even be in the national news.

[Gundampilotspaz]

It's not a shame, it's life, get over it. Fast forward fifty years and nobody will give a damn, so why do you? If those remains were left there under different circumstances nobody would care, it probably wouldn't even be in the national news.

International news!

[Samurai Drifter]

:huh:

[Reinas]

And so? It's time to move on. The only people who should be care about the remains, are the families who've never recieved the remains of the people they lost.

[Crube]

And so? It's time to move on. The only people who should be care about the remains, are the families who've never recieved the remains of the people they lost.

It is nice to see that you are alive! :crube:

[Reinas]

It is nice to see that you are alive!

I'm sick. That's why I'm stuck at home. :sad:

[No Sad Endings]

It's not a shame, it's life, get over it. Fast forward fifty years and nobody will give a damn, so why do you? If those remains were left there under different circumstances nobody would care, it probably wouldn't even be in the national news.

That sounds really harsh but you know I kind of agree.

Isn't it wasting money and manpower that could be going to more worthwhile things to look for little pieces of dead people? I understand the need for closure, but man, if your family member was in there and they never came back by now, THEY'RE DEAD. It's time to move on.

[cappy]

unfortunately we dont have major companies whose expertise is extracting human remains from terrorist catastrophes. or should i say 'fortunately'. its not a perfect science, and you cant hold anyone responsible. just keep trying your best to uncover more remains and stay optimistic.

[Crube]

That sounds really harsh but you know I kind of agree.

Isn't it wasting money and manpower that could be going to more worthwhile things to look for little pieces of dead people? I understand the need for closure, but man, if your family member was in there and they never came back by now, THEY'RE DEAD. It's time to move on.

It is easy for anyone to say "It is time to move on." But, where any of their friends or family in the Towers during 9/11?

[Gundampilotspaz]

That sounds really harsh but you know I kind of agree.

Isn't it wasting money and manpower that could be going to more worthwhile things to look for little pieces of dead people? I understand the need for closure, but man, if your family member was in there and they never came back by now, THEY'RE DEAD. It's time to move on.

Unless they took it as an opportunity to move to France and start over with a new life.

It is easy for anyone to say "It is time to move on." But, where any of their friends or family in the Towers during 9/11?

Any death is tragic, but you need to get over it. If you can't than you can't go on with your life and you mean nothing.

It's hard but it has been five years! Anyone should have moved on by this point.

[Crube]

Unless they took it as an opportunity to move to France and start over with a new life.

Any death is tragic, but you need to get over it. If you can't than you can't go on with your life and you mean nothing.

It's hard but it has been five years! Anyone should have moved on by this point.

It is, but not everyone copes with tragedies the same way everyone does!

[No Sad Endings]

It is easy for anyone to say "It is time to move on." But, where any of their friends or family in the Towers during 9/11?

Personal problems are just that - personal. I fully sympathize with anyone who's relatives died. However, the government's manpower - i.e., the taxpayers' money - should be going to benifit the living. The dead are dead, finding pieces of them does nothing. When I say it's time to move on, I mean as a group, as a country. I wouldn't tell a person who was still dealing with grief "it's time to move on," because that's not my place - but neither is it their place to insist the government cater to their grief.

[Crube]

Personal problems are just that - personal. I fully sympathize with anyone who's relatives died. However, the government's manpower - i.e., the taxpayers' money - should be going to benifit the living. The dead are dead, finding pieces of them does nothing. When I say it's time to move on, I mean as a group, as a country. I wouldn't tell a person who was still dealing with grief "it's time to move on," because that's not my place - but neither is it their place to insist the government cater to their grief.

Okay... Look. Just imagine you lost your loved one in the North Tower. That cell phone call never made it and you are filled with concern when you see the Towers fall down. Posters are strummed across, but nothing happens. You look at the grave, no evidence of the loved one ever existing. And ontop of that, you are faced with bullshit about cover ups. Yeah, I think this is the very least that they can do.

[Nega-Brent]

It is easy for anyone to say "It is time to move on." But, where any of their friends or family in the Towers during 9/11?

The murder of any loved one is tragic, regardless of how or why they were killed. 9/11 victims aren't any different from the people who are killed every day. The only reasons their deaths stay in people's minds are it involved two huge skyscrapers in one of the biggests cities in our country and it started a war. Had their been different circumstances involved that didn't cause our country to go to war, 9/11 probably wouldn't even be in the history books, nor would anyone really even care.

It's sad, but the truth is 9/11 is only remembered because of the morbid entertainment revolving around it. Accidents aren't interesting in the long run, but acts of war grasp the attention span of people for a much longer period. Seriously, can anyone honestly say we would still be talking about this if the towers collapsed via a freak accident rather than a dilberate attack?

Okay... Look. Just imagine you lost your loved one in the North Tower. That cell phone call never made it and you are filled with concern when you see the Towers fall down. Posters are strummed across, but nothing happens. You look at the grave, no evidence of the loved one ever existing. And ontop of that, you are faced with bullshit about cover ups. Yeah, I think this is the very least that they can do.

Empty graves aren't exclusive to 9/11 victims.

[Crube]

The murder of any loved one is tragic, regardless of how or why they were killed. 9/11 victims aren't any different from the people who are killed every day. The only reasons their deaths stay in people's minds are it involved two huge skyscrapers in one of the biggests cities in our country and it started a war. Had their been different circumstances involved that didn't cause our country to go to war, 9/11 probably wouldn't even be in the history books, nor would anyone really even care.

It's sad, but the truth is 9/11 is only remembered because of the morbid entertainment revolving around it. Accidents aren't interesting in the long run, but acts of war grasp the attention span of people for a much longer period. Seriously, can anyone honestly say we would still be talking about this if the towers collapsed via a freak accident rather than a dilberate attack?

Empty graves aren't exclusive to 9/11 victims.

Still though, like I mentioned... not everyone copes with tragedies the same as everyone else.

[The Diabetic]

Tomb of the Unknown Soldier anyone? Woops forgot that was military related, my bad.

[Nega-Brent]

Still though, like I mentioned... not everyone copes with tragedies the same as everyone else.

Prolonged mourning is unhealthy, and eventually it just becomes obsession.

[Crube]

Tomb of the Unknown Soldier anyone? Woops forgot that was military related, my bad.

It refers to unidentified soldiers, not missing soldiers. Plus, America is not the only country with one.

Prolonged mourning is unhealthy, and eventually it just becomes obsession.

Have you lost someone in the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks?

[No Sad Endings]

Empty graves aren't exclusive to 9/11 victims.

THis is what I'm saying. Death is death. It happens to everyone. Lots of people lose loved ones and never get closure, don't have any remains to burn or bury.

Still though, like I mentioned... not everyone copes with tragedies the same as everyone else.

And that is not the government's problem.

Please don't misunderstand me. I have plenty of sympathy for those families. But money and manpower should go to making everyone's - including those families - lives better, not to painstakingly search for people 5 years dead. In a catastrophe like that, of course there are going to be some people whose remains are never found.

[Nega-Brent]

It refers to unidentified soldiers, not missing soldiers. Plus, America is not the only country with one.

That doesn't explain why there isn't a national uproar to identify the soldiers. 50 years from now there won't be an uproar over anything 9/11 related either, because it will no longer sustain the morbid curiousity of the American public.

Have you lost someone in the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks?

Nope, but I think that gives me a more rational and unbiased point of view since I have no emotional investment.

[Crube]

THis is what I'm saying. Death is death. It happens to everyone. Lots of people lose loved ones and never get closure, don't have any remains to burn or bury.

And that is not the government's problem.

Please don't misunderstand me. I have plenty of sympathy for those families. But money and manpower should go to making everyone's - including those families - lives better, not to painstakingly search for people 5 years dead. In a catastrophe like that, of course there are going to be some people whose remains are never found.

Alright, alright... I give up... Geez.

[No Sad Endings]

Have you lost someone in the 9/11 Terrorist Attacks?

Isn't that a misguided question? Shouldn't it be "have you lost someone?"

[Nega-Brent]

Isn't that a misguided question? Shouldn't it be "have you lost someone?"

Indeed, because he's placing more importance on the circumstances and validating my argument.