Communism might not be all that bad?

[Gundampilotspaz]

A row of emaciated Ukrainian children stare out of a photograph. Their gaunt faces are full of despair and their bodies are little more than skeletons.

Ivan Leschenko says some resorted to cannibalism in the famine

It is one of many images being shown on Ukrainian television in the run-up to Memorial Day, which is being held this weekend to mark the Soviet-era famine.

It was one of the bleakest moments in Ukraine's history. The famine which happened between 1932 and 1933 killed up to 10 million people.

It is widely believed to have been caused by the actions of the communist regime. The harvest was confiscated and people starved to death.

It was part of a brutal campaign by the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin to force Ukrainian peasants to join collective farms.

Ukraine is now trying to get this mass starvation recognised by the United Nations as an act of genocide.

But the issue is highly controversial and Russia is strongly against the move.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6179818.stm

Yay class equality!

[margot]

is there really anyone who's not like 12 who thinks communism is a good idea?

[Gundampilotspaz]

1) You'd be suprised

2) http://www.accelerated-e.com/index.php?showuser=37

3) Aren't YOU a socialist?

[Gundampilotspaz]

Socialist ≠ Communist.

Soviet "Communism" does

[margot]

i think the difference is that communism has always been terrible, but there are a number of european countries that are socialist and are doing well.

[Arcane]

i think the difference is that communism has always been terrible, but there are a number of european countries that are socialist and are doing well.

None of them are purely socialist countries though. Most of them just have a lot of socialism inspired policies and programs. We've got plenty of them in America too, but no one calls us a socialist country.

[margot]

That's right. Though I'd say America is leaning towards capitalism while the European countries are leaning more toward socialism. I heard 50% of peoples' income in the Netherlands goes to taxes.

[Gundampilotspaz]

That's right. Though I'd say America is leaning towards capitalism while the European countries are leaning more toward socialism. I heard 50% of peoples' income in the Netherlands goes to taxes.

Everyone in this country gets Welfare if they need it, Social Security, and Unemployment.

I don't call that capitalism! :hardgay:

[Belial]

Come now GPS, don't make people start to cite examples of starvation and squalor as they occur within Capitalist nations. I’m sure that list will go on just as long as any you can manufacture.

[Gundampilotspaz]

Come now GPS, don't make people start to cite examples of starvation and squalor as they occur within Capitalist nations. I’m sure that list will go on just as long as any you can manufacture.

If there are any examples that affect 10 MILLION people, they certainly weren't caused by the Government.

Any argument you can present to defend this, is not only moot.... but horribly insulting to humanity.

[Siendra]

Soviet "Communism" does

Um, wow, NO. You do realize I LIVE in a Socialist Democracy, right?

[Gundampilotspaz]

Um, wow, NO. You do realize I LIVE in a Socialist Democracy, right?

Unfortunately yes, but a TRUE socialism is what Russia was.

Complete control of business by government = socialism

[margot]

well, now, why don't we focus on the good parts of communism.

i mean come on, how sexy was mao???

[Poophy]

The thanksgiving story that proves that communism doesn’t work!

Please note:

a) I generally do not read or listen to Rush Limbaugh but im in the middle of a school project on bias in media

b) My posting this does not mean that I agree with it in any way…

[margot]

lol @ rush limbaugh.

was he really only born in 1951?? I was hoping it was earlier so he would die really soon.

[Gundampilotspaz]

Perhaps Rush isn't ALL bad.

[margot]

too bad he thinks all black people are rapists and theives.

[Gundampilotspaz]

too bad he thinks all black people are rapists and theives.

On the scale of evil I'm sure he believes:

Communists > Black People

Note: I'm not serious, except for the part where communists are evil.

[Satan]

On the scale of evil I'm sure he believes:

Communists > Black People

Note: I'm not serious, except for the part where communists are evil.

what makes one evil?

[Ceraziefish]

Soviet "Communism" does

First of all the USSR was not a communist country.

Secondly there is a marked difference between socialism and communism.

Thirdly the USSR was not all bad, it rapidly industrialized Russia and the other SSR's so that the first world didn't rip them apart.

From Wikipedia: "United States:Chronically homeless people (those with repeated episodes or who have been homeless for long periods) 150,000-200,000 (some sources say 847,000-3,470,000)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness#...loped_countries

And that's just the people in the U.S. who are homeless... That's to say nothing about all the people who "live" under the poverty line or the millions of people around the world held in capitalist bondage by a system that encourages us to ignore poor workers in third world countries.

Seriously, GPS, think about how many people have absolutely no free will because of your t-shirt and tell me capitalism is a good idea.

[amy]

so speaking of rush limbaugh,

my friend julia has this horrible (conservative) father she hates, he lives in Florida with her cousins that she loves and is afraid about. So every Christmas she makes him like 3 pounds of pecans baked with sugar and butter, packaged nicely, so he'll have a heart attack XD

One day he had a heart attack and didn't call 911 or see a doctor, he just went to bed.

The next day he woke up and called a doctor to talk about it. The doctor said he had had a heart attack, but in the night his body had regrown the aorta, and had it branch off into hundreds of thin little mutated aortae, so now if one is clogged the others will still work. even now i think 6 or 7 of them are completely plugged up

[Battle_Pope]

now the world don't move to the beat of just one drum, what might be right for you may not be right for some...

[Gundampilotspaz]

First of all the USSR was not a communist country.

Secondly there is a marked difference between socialism and communism.

Thirdly the USSR was not all bad, it rapidly industrialized Russia and the other SSR's so that the first world didn't rip them apart.

The USSR was not a Communist Country, because that is impossible. The ultimate goal was Communism, and all their crimes were committed toward that end.

Of course there is a difference, USSR MEANS "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics". But Communism, with a capital "C" came to mean soviet Communism. Where communism is how you show that you are talking about Marx's failed ideals.

The USSR rapidly grew because of the poverty and borderline slavery of MILLIONS, the deaths of MILLIONS MORE.

Read some HISTORY. Stalin killed to make Russia powerful, he killed to control the nations he conquered, he killed for personal power, he killed from paranoia, he killed for the fun of it!

From Wikipedia: "United States:Chronically homeless people (those with repeated episodes or who have been homeless for long periods) 150,000-200,000 (some sources say 847,000-3,470,000)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness#...loped_countries

150,000 homeless people? In a nation of 300,000,000?

Oh no, we'll all end up in the streets.

.0005%

.0005%

A drop in the bucket.

Read HISTORY

And that's just the people in the U.S. who are homeless... That's to say nothing about all the people who "live" under the poverty line or the millions of people around the world held in capitalist bondage by a system that encourages us to ignore poor workers in third world countries.

Seriously, GPS, think about how many people have absolutely no free will because of your t-shirt and tell me capitalism is a good idea.

The United States never purged those people, no president never purged his enemies.

This shirt was made in China, the last time I checked they weren't capitalistic. Other countries are not my concern.

Seriously CF, think of all the lives that were thrown away at a failed attempt of an impossible dream.

[Ceraziefish]

Words

I'm not saying communism is good. I know that Stalin/the rest of the USSR did horrible things, I'm taking like three Russian history classes right now.

What I'm saying is both communism and capitalism suck.

As for the China not being capitalist thing, that's not the point... The people were employed by American capitalists (that's why it was sold in America). But if you don't care about other countries I suppose it's a moot point... Although I don't know why you care that lots of Ukrainians starved if other countries are not your concern.

[Gundampilotspaz]

As for the China not being capitalist thing, that's not the point... The people were employed by American capitalists (that's why it was sold in America). But if you don't care about other countries I suppose it's a moot point... Although I don't know why you care that lots of Ukrainians starved if other countries are not your concern.

The fact that it happened long ago makes it even more out of my hands.

It acts as a testament to the failure of socialism.