Senete aproves tougher immigration laws

[TeleportSandwich]

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews...cs/13427705.htm

All I can say is: Fuck whitey

[uniform_motion]

I've lost faith in our democracy LONG ago.

[darkon]

Wait, so what happened to the whole Land of Opportunity monicker?

[Reinas]

So...what's the problem with charging illegal immigrants and those who hire them?

[B.M.]

So...what's the problem with charging illegal immigrants and those who hire them?

Nothing, of course the people complaining want cheap produce gotten by immigrant labour. Cheap Strawberries are more important than enforceing the law, security concerns, or paying a decent wage to those Americans willing to do these jobs.

Edited December 18, 2005 by B.M.

[darkon]

Illegal immigrants are good for the economy. They take jobs that most citizens won't take, they cost companies less, as a result companies don't have to charge as much.

[Poophy]

The Democrats make me ashamed to be an American. The Republicans make me ashamed to be a human being.

[amy]

Illegal immigrants are good for the economy. They take jobs that most citizens won't take, they cost companies less, as a result companies don't have to charge as much.

they take jobs that poor people w/o an education beyond high school would be taking, killing their niche even though it was full of crap jobs. (At least working in say, meat processing, pays more than walmart.)

many people can't do the post secondary thing, mainly due to lack of $$/pressure from family to work so they are just sort of poor and taking aforementioned walmart job or something. => Class gap widens

It's like outsourcing within the country and immigrants are paid so little that it doesn't help anyone.

I support programs to help potential immigrants do it legally/learn english etc.

Edited December 18, 2005 by amy

[Poophy]

But a lot of jobs they take are agricultural jobs, which don’t even pay minimum wage. And it is because of that, that food is reasonably cheep…

[darkon]

But a lot of jobs they take are agricultural jobs, which don’t even pay minimum wage. And it is because of that, that food is reasonably cheep…

Most poor live in cities and as a result an agricultural job is impractical to them.

[amy]

cities

There are thousands of low-skilled city jobs that illegal immigrants can get hired into. Illegal immigration is ruining any chance of those jobs being unionized and getting more badly needed rights for the workers, not to mention degrading the immigrants themselves.

There are also plenty of poor in rural areas. Many of them are legal Mexican-American immigrants who came and are now trying to hold onto the same kind of job that illegal immigrants are now taking. "Agricultural job" is nowadays much less strawberry picking and more working with dangerous machinery, meat processing, etc.

How is that "land of opportunity"? It's just punishing people who were able to follow the rules.

[Baltar]

"and best jobs to boot, like landscaping, dishwashing and picking our fruit"

- Steven lynch

Superhero

[Samurai Drifter]

So...what's the problem with charging illegal immigrants and those who hire them?

Precisely. This sounds like a good deal to me. I think most people here are just used to insulting whatever Bush does (possibly because he so rarely does things right) that they don't actually read the article; they just assume that if the Bush administration is responsible it will suck.

Illegal immigration is NOT good for the economy, it's good for the consumer. It takes jobs away from people who are in this country legally and actually deserve to work.

Edited December 18, 2005 by Samurai Drifter

[Gundampilotspaz]

Precisely. This sounds like a good deal to me. I think most people here are just used to insulting whatever Bush does (possibly because he so rarely does things right) that they don't actually read the article; they just assume that if the Bush administration is responsible it will suck.

Ummmm, Bush wants the immigrats from the south in to work, he thinks its a good thing.

[TeleportSandwich]

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...354/1002/NEWS01

Now thiers talk of building a fence? Damn, white people in this country... :glare:

[Samurai Drifter]

Ummmm, Bush wants the immigrats from the south in to work, he thinks its a good thing.

Oh, then that's more proof that he's a fucking moron.

But still, tougher immigration laws are a good idea.

[B.M.]

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...354/1002/NEWS01

Now thiers talk of building a fence? Damn, white people in this country...

What makes you think that only white people want that.? I'm Mexican and Choctaw with a little Welsh in me several generations ago and i want this. Hell I really don't want a fence I want a 40 foot wall sunk into the bedrock that can be seen from space. It would cost less to make this wall than it would to pay for the medical, educational and houseing expenses of the illegal every year.

Also what state are you from?

I also would want severe penalties on companies usieng illegal labour, I mean 600k per head the INS counts and felony convictions with mandatory time should be enough of a preventative.

[TeleportSandwich]

I'm from New York, but I live in a town thats filled with illegals. Hell, my mom works with this people every day and she tells me story about how they just come here to work for a few months without paying any taxes and then go back. I really don't care though, I just think that things like building a fence and making a felony just to be an illegal are going to far. I support Bush's guest worker program since I don't see how it could possibly hurt the economy or the white blue coller worker.

[Reinas]

Nothing, of course the people complaining want cheap produce gotten by immigrant labour. Cheap Strawberries are more important than enforceing the law, security concerns, or paying a decent wage to those Americans willing to do these jobs.

In addition to that, they also take away jobs from the legal immigrants who have worked hard and spent money to migrate to the US and Canada.

Illegal immigrants are good for the economy. They take jobs that most citizens won't take, they cost companies less, as a result companies don't have to charge as much.

So basically, illegal immigrants are good for countries because they're like second rate filliing that's going to cost less and make the cake a lesser quality. In addition to that, they won't pay their share of tax money, use social services and get treated like second rate humans just because they won't come into the country legally.

A job is a job, and if money was needed to survive, they shouldn't be stupid not to take a job they can get.

Ummmm, Bush wants the immigrats from the south in to work, he thinks its a good thing.

Bush wants a guest program that will still require a visa into the US, much like a working Visa. It's a poor decision, since it's pretty easy to stay in the country even though the visa has already expired.

I'm from New York, but I live in a town thats filled with illegals. Hell, my mom works with this people every day and she tells me story about how they just come here to work for a few months without paying any taxes and then go back. I really don't care though, I just think that things like building a fence and making a felony just to be an illegal are going to far. I support Bush's guest worker program since I don't see how it could possibly hurt the economy or the white blue coller worker.

In those few months, the taxes that they should have been paying to generate revenue for the cities, are non-existant and their use of social services without paying for them hurts the economy.

Bush's guest worker program - can help the economy. But can you really expect those who work under the gues worker program to go back to their own country after their contract has expired? It's easy to stay in the US, moreso than Canada illegally.

When they stay in the US, corporations who are seeking for cheap labour will hire them, thus dampening the chances of legal workers to work in those corporations. Unemployment rises, no taxes are generated, revenue decreases leading to possible deficit in the economy. So how does that not hurt the economy or the white blue collar worker?

[B.M.]

I'm from New York, but I live in a town thats filled with illegals. Hell, my mom works with this people every day and she tells me story about how they just come here to work for a few months without paying any taxes and then go back. I really don't care though, I just think that things like building a fence and making a felony just to be an illegal are going to far. I support Bush's guest worker program since I don't see how it could possibly hurt the economy or the white blue coller worker.

I live in Texas and have had to chase Illieagals off of my property in west Texas and have had one of my cabins on our lease broken into several times. They do hurt the economy by keeping wages unnaturally low. People who say that Americans will not do those jobs should correct themselves saying Americans will not perfomr those jobs for $2 an hour.

[James_xeno]

Wow...! The attitude of a lot of people here makes me completely fucking sick to my stomach!

It's bad enough that some people from the right think this way too, because after all they should know better. But the hypocrisy from the "friend of the worker" left is beyond fucking words! Plus I thought that maybe they would have eased up a little in their position on illegal immigration, given the partial support for bush from related demographics in the last two elections.

An estimated 11 million illegal immigrants are believed to be in the United States

11 million criminals already and you're pissed off because some courageous people are trying to put a stop to it and secure our borders?!

Illegal immigration is not only a crime, it's also a spit in the face to every single legal immigrant now and throughout the history of our USA.

Oh and Hayamaneko, are you racist or something? I'm only asking because it kind of sounds like you are.

[darkon]

Your ultra-partisan, extremist, and sensationalist ways take away all your credibility James_xeno. Just to let you know.

[margot]

The better solution is to crack down on the companies who are hiring the illegals and mistreating them as well as hurting our economy. It's really immoral to punish people who are just looking for a better life for themselves and their family.

[James_xeno]

Your ultra-partisan, extremist, and sensationalist ways take away all your credibility James_xeno. Just to let you know.

Ultra-partisan? Of what, my own views?

Please, do explain what was extremist and or sensationalist about it? Was it because I called it criminal? If so then try again because that's fact. "Illegal immigration"

Loss of credibility? For having a strong view about something... on this board!? :laugh:

[B.M.]

The better solution is to crack down on the companies who are hiring the illegals and mistreating them as well as hurting our economy. It's really immoral to punish people who are just looking for a better life for themselves and their family.

Then what are you going to do with large amounts of unskilled illeagal labour? Are you going to give them preferential treatment over your own citizens or those who immigrated here leagally. Any solution has to both discourage/prevent illeagal immigration and punish the companies who use it.