Abortion?

[megosaurusrexx]

Which side of the debate are you on and why?

I know this has already been talked about but let's talk about it again shall we.

[Belial]

Other: Pro-Life and Pro-Choice...

[GummyBearOfDoom]

This has been discussed so many times on AE it's getting old.

[Ceraziefish]

Other: Pro-Life and Pro-Choice...

What do you mean by that?

[amy]

I think a little part of my youthful enthusiasm for life just died

abortion plz

[Samurai Drifter]

Pro-life. This is pretty much the only issue I have a conservative viewpoint on and I've explained the reasons many times in the past.

[Belial]

What do you mean by that?

I mean, personally I'd never be able to make the decision to abort a fetus, if that choice was thrown upon me. But just because I am personally for the preservation of human life in any form doesn't mean I have to shove this belief down other people's throats. People should be allowed to do what they wish, and since a fetus is in no way a human being, if the mother decides she can't handle the birth for any reason, the option to abort should be available to her.

[Galkar]

Hay guys, this should be a nice friendly discussion, rite?

[TeleportSandwich]

Hay guys, this should be a nice friendly discussion, rite?

ya sur

[Cleese]

I am for the right to choose. The whole issue is between having the right to choose or being forced into having it; everyone seems to think pro-choice automatically means choosing abortion 100% of the time. Obviously not true, I would like to have the right to make the choice.

[James_xeno]

[J-Stop]

I am for the right to choose. The whole issue is between having the right to choose or being forced into having it; everyone seems to think pro-choice automatically means choosing abortion 100% of the time. Obviously not true, I would like to have the right to make the choice.

Seconded. Especially since some women could put their health in danger by having a child, it should be legal.

[Nega-Brent]

I support abortion and I'd like to have Siendra aborted.

[JeremyGEE]

HA!

I have an odd view... I think its alright to abort if the fetus can't survive without it mother...Meaning if it were taken out of her in a small fetal state and it would obviously die.. Then its ok. Farther in the pregnency abortion would be murder. So consider adoption.

But Im down for prochoice.

So i guess I don't care.

[HappyLittleBoozer]

I'm at a centerist medical standpoint. Most of the time it's a reckless abandonment of responsibility of a screw-up. I know that's harsh but it's true, especially since I know many women that can't have children. I figure, if you fuck up, you should take the reigns and see it through. Once you have it, you may think differently of the situation. If you don't, you can put the child up for adoption, because tons of people will adopt newborns... right out of the hospital, even. However, exceptions must ALWAYS be examined, as child could be born defected, diseased, a product of rape, or the birth could kill the mother. That's why it's necessary to have the option open but I highly propose serious doctor recommendation, first, before a committee of other doctors in the field to examine case by case. It'll be difficult but it's the only way to actually solve the issue.

And I've heard both sides cases, before, and they're simply ridiculous extremes. Pro-'life' side says that life is sacred (You know, the same people that are also pro-war, pro-gun, and pro-death penalty). Well, by scientific standards, it's not a life until it can survive outside of the womb and that isn't until MONTHS past your average abortion limit. It is no more a life than a chicken egg.

Then there's the pro-choice side which says that a woman's body is her own. Honestly, it comes off like a sound idea, until you realize it's nothing but selfish reasoning from people who don't give a second thought about being viewed as irresponsible.

[NosferatuNeko]

hmm i am either or...i mean to me if you have sex your know what the risk are involed with it...use protection and birth contorl! but if your going to be an unfit parent like some of the girls in my old school who were younger than me had kids and kept them admirable...but if you want to do its your choice really..no one can stop someone from doing...i'd say have the baby and put it up for adoption...but then again...that could hurt the kid in the end. *shrugs* i am pretty much just opened minded...yea i dont approve of it in some ways but i do approve of it also because i'd rather people go about it a safe way if there going to do it. meh...

[Ceraziefish]

Please don't simplify the issue like that. All words are in a constant flux, and the United States government has redefined "person" or limited it so many times. How about "communist," or "terrorist"? I mean, every terrorist on the planet is a person. But apparently they aren't, because they're allowed to be tortured in Guantanamo Bay or what have you.

I think that picture is an example of a very reactionary standpoint.

Take Burb's position, for example; what would have happened if the pro-lifers had their way and his girlfriend had to have a baby? His life would take a completely different turn through no fault of his own. The most ironic part, for me, is that pro-lifers generally also extoll the virtues of freedom; well what about the freedom to not have children?

You're acting like everyone who has ever had an abortion is a horrible example of humanity, either a sexually deviant retard or a slut who uses it as birth control. But you don't even understand what's going on with an abortion, emotionally or physically, for the woman. I can't understand, and I never will, but I know plenty of people who have had abortions, and I don't think anything less of them. My own mother had two abortions before I was born, because before I was born she couldn't have supported a child (even though she really wanted one).

I think I'd take pro-lifers a little more seriously if they weren't always so sexist. Or maybe if they supported some way of supporting children born from people who the parents don't want; but it's almost always "Nope, pregnant women have to have their kids, and once the kid is born it's just "Well that was fun, now go do whatever you want with this kid."

Personally, I'd rather see a pregnancy terminated than a wasted life because the person's upbringing was so horrible because they were raised unwanted and poor.

I also think it's ridiculous when people are pro-life and pro-war. So it's not okay to kill unborn fetuses, but it's perfectly acceptable to shoot pregnant women if they resist us.

[Samurai Drifter]

Take Burb's position, for example; what would have happened if the pro-lifers had their way and his girlfriend had to have a baby? His life would take a completely different turn through no fault of his own. The most ironic part, for me, is that pro-lifers generally also extoll the virtues of freedom; well what about the freedom to not have children?

I think the logical standpoint should be that if you're at a place in your life where having a kid (even if you gave it up for adoption) would totally ruin your life, you shouldn't have sex. You have to except that there's a chance your girlfriend will get pregnant and be willing to deal with the consequences.

Plus, I just don't see what's so fucking hard about giving a kid up for adoption. There are plenty of people out there who want kids, and here they are with one they don't want, but instead of giving it to the people who DO want one they kill it. There's a lot of logic in that alright.

Yeah, giving the kid up for adoption could lead to a bad childhood, but the alternative is that you kill it. Plus, plenty of happy and/or successful people have come out of really bad childhoods.

[HappyLittleBoozer]

I'm pretty sure most people have a bad childhood anymore, regardless if they're adopted or not.

[Ceraziefish]

I think the logical standpoint should be that if you're at a place in your life where having a kid (even if you gave it up for adoption) would totally ruin your life, you shouldn't have sex. You have to except that there's a chance your girlfriend will get pregnant and be willing to deal with the consequences.

Plus, I just don't see what's so fucking hard about giving a kid up for adoption. There are plenty of people out there who want kids, and here they are with one they don't want, but instead of giving it to the people who DO want one they kill it. There's a lot of logic in that alright.

The problem with your first paragraph is that sex is a fun, healthy thing and there are ways to keep from getting pregnant. I respect logic, it is important, but it shouldn't rule your life to that extent.

As for the second paragraph, having a child is no fun at all. I think we're all aware that it's a long, painful (both physically and emotional), and sometimes dangerous process. Not to mention it's expensive; a lot of people don't realize how expensive it is.

I also just don't understand how you can seriously think a useless blob of flesh is alive. I don't believe a fetus can be killed, no more than an arm can be killed. Should we outlaw amputations because that's killing human life? No, that would be idiotic. I'm not saying it's the same thing, but it is similar.

I mean, what about sperm? In theory, sperm is alive, it could create a life. So, by your logic, all sperm should be considered sacred and men shouldn't be allowed to come except in a fertile woman. Because if you're not getting someone pregnant and creating a child every time you come, you're committing an act of murder.

I'm just saying the line between it's alive and not alive has to be somewhere rational, that considers the health and stability of the mother and the child. I think we should help both, rather than screw both.

Getting an abortion can be just as responsible as sending your kid to school or reading to them.

EDIT: You seem to be of the opinion that anyone needing to get an abortion is an illogical, irresponsible person. And you really want to force them to deal with a child they don't want?

[Belial]

I think that picture is an example of a very reactionary standpoint.

And thus CF summed up all of James_xeno's viewpoints.

[Ceraziefish]

And thus CF summed up all of James_xeno's viewpoints.

I didn't want to make such a generalization. I'm pretty sure sometimes he wakes up and says "Man, cereal is good stuff," and there's nothing reactionary about that. :hardgay:

[Belial]

I didn't want to make such a generalization. I'm pretty sure sometimes he wakes up and says "Man, cereal is good stuff," and there's nothing reactionary about that.

Doubtful. He probably starts ranting about how the Lucky Charm Leprechaun is promoting Irish immigration and is terrified that his daughters will end up marrying some "filthy Mick bastards" .

[Ceraziefish]

Doubtful. He probably starts ranting about how the Lucky Charm Leprechaun is promoting Irish immigration and is terrified that his daughters will end up marrying some "filthy Mick bastards" .

But, uh... the Leprechaun is acceptable because, he, uh, represents the free spirit of capitalism?

Um... Whoops, maybe I shouldn't have pointed out the hypocrisy there. I'm not actually sure how into Capitalism James is, he always struck me as more of a fascist.

[Belial]

Um... Whoops, maybe I shouldn't have pointed out the hypocrisy there. I'm not actually sure how into Capitalism James is, he always struck me as more of a fascist.

lolz

:hardgay: