Belial Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 So, Google is voluntarily censoring its content in China to conform to the State's wishes there. Google's decision to censor its search engine in China was bad for the company, its founders admitted yesterday. Google, launched in 1998 by two Stanford University dropouts, Sergey Brin and Larry Page, was accused of selling out and reneging on its "Don't be evil" motto when it launched in China in 2005. The company modified the version of its search engine in China to exclude controversial topics such as the Tiananmen Square massacre or the Falun Gong movement, provoking a backlash in its core western markets... http://business.guardian.co.uk/davos2007/s...1999994,00.html But really, when did anyone let human-rights get in the way of money? Coke didn't let it stop them from selling to the Nazis. Nike has never let it stop them from making a pair of shoes. Who really expected Google to keep their hand out of this cookie jar, even when they know that its going to most likely get a lot of people killed? Link to comment
TeleportSandwich Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 ...well if the people running the chinese google site didn't do it on thier own, the Chinese gov. would've done it for them at some point. And anyway, the reason I think that people are disapointed in Google selling out like this is that its still a relatively new company that still has "independant spirit" image going for it, so naturally people are going to feel let down. Thats business though tl;dr : lol business Link to comment
Nega-Brent Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 So, Google is voluntarily censoring its content in China to conform to the State's wishes there. But really, when did anyone let human-rights get in the way of money? Coke didn't let it stop them from selling to the Nazis. Nike has never let it stop them from making a pair of shoes. Who really expected Google to keep their hand out of this cookie jar, even when they know that its going to most likely get a lot of people killed? I think it's funny that you're comparing censorship to sweat shops and Nazis. Link to comment
Belial Posted January 30, 2007 Author Share Posted January 30, 2007 I think it's funny that you're comparing censorship to sweat shops and Nazis. The Chinese government will kill people who view the wrong type of material, which, with Google around is bound to happen. Killing Political Dissidents = Nazis = Sweet Shops, more or less. Link to comment
amy Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 We wrote letters about this in my Amnesty International group Link to comment
The Lone Magician Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I've known about this for a while. elgooG anyone? Link to comment
Ceraziefish Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I think it's funny that you're comparing censorship to sweat shops and Nazis. Why shouldn't it be? The first example is horrible for the intellectual freedom of people, and the second is horrible for the just plain old freedom of people. Link to comment
Nega-Brent Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Why shouldn't it be? The first example is horrible for the intellectual freedom of people, and the second is horrible for the just plain old freedom of people. Censorship alone is nothing compared to sweat shops and Nazis. Link to comment
Ceraziefish Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Censorship alone is nothing compared to sweat shops and Nazis. I think you're underestimating it, but you have to admit that censorship, when used to prevent people from learning about the history of a criminal government (i.e. the Chinese government) or even the current crimes of that government. I mean, with proper censorship a Chinese citizen might not even know about what their government was doing. And I think we can agree that that would be pretty lame. Link to comment
Siendra Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I don't see the issue. It's not up to Google to educate Chinese citizens. Link to comment
Belial Posted February 16, 2007 Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 I don't see the issue. It's not up to Google to educate Chinese citizens. They're cooperating with a government that kills anyone who speaks out against it. They're helping one of the worst human rights violators of the current era. Link to comment
Siendra Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 They're cooperating with a government that kills anyone who speaks out against it. They're helping one of the worst human rights violators of the current era. If anything, they're cooperating with the government in order to still be able to bring a useful tool to the Chinese public. Link to comment
Poophy Posted February 17, 2007 Share Posted February 17, 2007 http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/medi...ml?itemId=82145 Not really on topic, but I felt like posting it anyway… Link to comment
Cip Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 If anything, they're cooperating with the government in order to still be able to bring a useful tool to the Chinese public. I agree, whether or not china is the largest communist country in the world the US still spends billions upon billions of dollars in trade with them, so how is that form of support any different from google wanting to maintain ITS business with China? The way I see it is America cooperates with China despite their political differences to sustain our economy, Google being one of the largest web corporations is technically doing the same thing, cooperating with the doctrines of China in order to provide Chinese citizens with a useful web tool. Its not like the executives at google are trying to change the world here, "China, Communism? Well if they want GOOGLE they're just gonna have to change something about that." Its corporate America, business before politics. Link to comment
Federal Network Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 I don't see it as a big deal. Censored or not. its a very useful tool for people all over the world.Its not really communism in a true sense anyways. True Communism can not exist. its just not possible. The Closest is Cuba. and goddamn those are the happiest bunch of people My family and i have ever seen. Free Education. Free basic food. and the government will provide you with the things needed for you to start a business. But look at how much China has changed because of the current way of government. People are educated. Have jobs. They can now own businesses*and have been able to for almost a decade now i think* and if you take notice over the entire time the current government has been in power. They are drifting farther and farther from a Totalitarian style dictatorship. as the country becomes richer and the people become more self-reliant and literacy and education rates climb more and more freedoms are unlocked. They are much more lax that they were say in the 60's. Not saying killing people for being outspoken is right but you have to look at both sides of it. Link to comment
Belial Posted March 15, 2007 Author Share Posted March 15, 2007 I don't see it as a big deal. Censored or not. its a very useful tool for people all over the world.Its not really communism in a true sense anyways. True Communism can not exist. its just not possible. The Closest is Cuba. and goddamn those are the happiest bunch of people My family and i have ever seen. Free Education. Free basic food. and the government will provide you with the things needed for you to start a business. But look at how much China has changed because of the current way of government. People are educated. Have jobs. They can now own businesses*and have been able to for almost a decade now i think* and if you take notice over the entire time the current government has been in power. They are drifting farther and farther from a Totalitarian style dictatorship. as the country becomes richer and the people become more self-reliant and literacy and education rates climb more and more freedoms are unlocked. They are much more lax that they were say in the 60's. Not saying killing people for being outspoken is right but you have to look at both sides of it. Man, I don't know where you came from, but walking in here and trying to argue anything related to Communism or economics for that matter is opening a big ol' can of worms. Just thought I'd warn you. Link to comment
Federal Network Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Man, I don't know where you came from, but walking in here and trying to argue anything related to Communism or economics for that matter is opening a big ol' can of worms. Just thought I'd warn you. i know. i've been there to many times. i actually am kind of regretting posting all of it. cause i have been attacked so many times for saying that kind of stuff.haha. so any one out there. please be kind. i suck at defending myself. i tend to let emotion get in the way of giving a coherent answer Link to comment
Galkar Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 i suck at defending myself. i tend to let emotion get in the way of giving a coherent answer Well at least you're honest and upfront about it. Link to comment
Federal Network Posted March 15, 2007 Share Posted March 15, 2007 Well at least you're honest and upfront about it. ya. i tend to be honest and upfront about some weaknesses. i'm always working to strengthen them though. so maybe one day i can defend myself properly consistently. so far i've only had 2 that went well. both about smoking Link to comment
Galkar Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 ya. i tend to be honest and upfront about some weaknesses. i'm always working to strengthen them though. so maybe one day i can defend myself properly consistently. so far i've only had 2 that went well. both about smoking That's good. Some of the people on this board (not mentioning any names...) don't always argue all that well, and when they go against each other, they'll just debate each other into the ground until one or both get fed up and leave :laugh: Link to comment
Ceraziefish Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Some of the people on this board (not mentioning any names...) *Raises hand.* I usually leave before GPS, though, so I guess he wins the arguments. Anyway, Azraelscross, I ain't no Commie (GPS would beg to differ, I'm sure) but I agree with most of your points. Link to comment
Galkar Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I usually leave before GPS, though, so I guess he wins the arguments. I find it sad that all too often people actually think like that. Link to comment
Ceraziefish Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I find it sad that all too often people actually think like that. Well, imagine if we were fighting a war. I left the contested territory so GPS wins! Really, though, just because he wins the arguments doesn't mean he's right. And I don't think like that, for the record. Link to comment
Galkar Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Well, imagine if we were fighting a war. I left the contested territory so GPS wins! Really, though, just because he wins the arguments doesn't mean he's right. And I don't think like that, for the record. I guess that's what I was thinking, that when people say someone won an argument it means that person is declared right or something, but I suppose that's probably just my imagination. Link to comment
Belial Posted March 16, 2007 Author Share Posted March 16, 2007 I usually leave before GPS, though, so I guess he wins the arguments. I'm pretty sure you win, because you remember that its just an internet forum before GPS does. (GPS never remembers that its "just" and internet forum) Link to comment
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