Canada's health care

[margot]

Health outcomes for patients in Canada are as good as or better than in the United States, even though per capita spending is higher south of the border, suggest Canadian and U.S. researchers who crunched data from 38 studies.

The findings were published in the inaugural edition of Open Medicine, a new online medical journal launching Wednesday in the aftermath of a rift last year between some editors and the publisher of the Canadian Medical Association Journal.

"In looking at patients in Canada with a specific diagnosis compared to Americans with the same diagnosis, in Canada patients had at least as good an outcome as their American counterparts - and in many situations, a better health outcome," said one of the 17 authors, Dr. P.J. Devereaux, a cardiologist and clinical epidemiologist at McMaster University in Hamilton.

"And that is important because in the United States, they're currently spending a little over $7,100 per individual on health care annually, whereas in Canada we're spending a little over $2,900 per individual annually," he said in a telephone interview from Brantford, Ont.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070417/...utcomes_cda_u_s

[Crube]

Free health care.

And so many other things America is afraid to let their citizens have... like marijuana and gay marriage.

[DreamerGirl]

Did this really surprise anyone?

[Nega-Brent]

Old news is new again? Hooray Canadia!

[The Lone Magician]

Why can't America be cool?

[Belial]

I can't wait until GPS gets to this thread. The ensuing flame war will be entertaining to say the least.

[Nega-Brent]

I can't wait until GPS gets to this thread. The ensuing flame war will be entertaining to say the least.

Blah. Blah. Blah. Communism. Blah. Blah. Blah. Nazi Germany.

[No Sad Endings]

HOnestly speaking, I am dubious of any research on these matters, because there are so many people out to push an agenda rather than report the facts.

That being said, I'm generally in support of free health care.

[Siendra]

HOnestly speaking, I am dubious of any research on these matters, because there are so many people out to push an agenda rather than report the facts.

That being said, I'm generally in support of free health care.

I don't know, this seems legitimate. I read the documentation on the study in its entirety already (What, you guys thought I did interesting stuff with my time?), and for the most part it seem to have been conducted in an unbiased fashion. There were a couple of statistics and organizations involved that may have "slid" one way or the other, but the general consensus basically remained the same.

[Satan]

Did this really surprise anyone?

it says "as good or better than" I expected just plain better than, or maybe significantly better than.

[Svenska Aeroplan]

Hey, we're just setting an example for all the other countries on how NOT to do things. It's a very important service we provide.

[Nega-Brent]

Hey, we're just setting an example for all the other countries on how NOT to do things. It's a very important service we provide.

I think the most important service we provide is how to destroy a country through self-loathing.

[No Sad Endings]

I think the most important service we provide is how to destroy a country through self-loathing.

Yes, and it's ridiculous.

If our ways were so awful, we wouldn't be the most prosperous nation on earth. It's not like America is perfect, of course, no government or populace can get it completely right, but all this leftist anti-American sentiment lately is just absurd. Most of Europe's gone pansy-assed over violent crime and Canada is cold as fuck. I'll stick with America, thanks.

[Crube]

Canada is cold as fuck.

There is a reason why most of the population is closer to the Canada-U.S. border. :mellow:

[DreamerGirl]

Well, you can think a country could approve or occasionally acts stupid *cough*thelasttwopresidentialelecetions*cough* without actually hating the country. I'll be the first to admit I occasionally hate this country, but Europe definitely has its own problems.

I can't think of anything that awful about Canada though, except the weather...

But I've never been there to see things for myself.

[Nega-Brent]

Canadians are creepy. They don't have belly buttons and the men give birth to their young from the anus.

[DreamerGirl]

Canadians are creepy. They don't have belly buttons and the men give birth to their young from the anus.

Awesome. :awesome:

[Gundampilotspaz]

The United States is different than Canada in very large areas

Mostly:

Population

Military

debt

Corporate whoremongers

I maintain that because of how fucked up this country is.. Free Heathcare will drive the cost of healthcare up; which will drive taxes up; which will cause us to abandon the program..... and when we are faced with paying for our own healthcare again.... it's been raised significantly.

What we need to do is fix the healthcare system... and then think about offering it for free. Just tossing money at people is not going to fix a broken and corrupt system.

[Nega-Brent]

The United States is different than Canada in very large areas

Get the hell out of town, Captain Obvious!

[No Sad Endings]

Canadians are creepy. They don't have belly buttons and the men give birth to their young from the anus.

OH SHI -

What we need to do is fix the healthcare system... and then think about offering it for free. Just tossing money at people is not going to fix a broken and corrupt system.

That goes without saying, man. Everyone knows that socializing health care would involve restructuring the system. I don't really thing that they would necessarily be two separate steps, but restructuring the system in order for it to work is a big fat duh.

[Gundampilotspaz]

That goes without saying, man. Everyone knows that socializing health care would involve restructuring the system. I don't really thing that they would necessarily be two separate steps, but restructuring the system in order for it to work is a big fat duh.

That is what people believe but it isn't how it will happen.

The "socialized healthcare" the government will set up will not be to benefit the people, but the large corporations. It's the way congress works. So, the system will not change... it'll just have money thrown at it.

[Siendra]

Socializing health care is about the single most social thing a government can do. In order for it to work properly, the government has to have control over transportation industries, the drug industry, post secondary education programs, insurance, and so on and so forth. It's not as simply as restructuring the health system in the US. You'd pretty much need to just start from scratch given the current state of affairs.

[Gundampilotspaz]

Socializing health care is about the single most social thing a government can do. In order for it to work properly, the government has to have control over transportation industries, the drug industry, post secondary education programs, insurance, and so on and so forth. It's not as simply as restructuring the health system in the US. You'd pretty much need to just start from scratch given the current state of affairs.

I just threw up a little.

But it'll never happen in this country.... I can see how it could be good..... but it'll never happen and looking at that list....

Why Transportation?!

[Crube]

I just threw up a little.

But it'll never happen in this country.... I can see how it could be good..... but it'll never happen and looking at that list....

Why Transportation?!

How the hell are you supposed to get drugs from point A to point B?

[Belial]

How the hell are you supposed to get drugs from point A to point B?

Magic Time Traveling Technology of course. Capitalism at its finest.