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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8066615.stm

North Korea has staged a "successful" underground nuclear test, the state-run KCNA agency reports.

The agency says Monday's test was "aimed at strengthening its [North Korea's] self-defence nuclear deterrent in every way".

The news confirms earlier reports by South Korea's Yonhap news agency.

South Korea's president is reported to have convened an emergency security meeting and Japan is setting up a task force in the prime minister's office.

Japanese Foreign Ministry spokesman Kazuo Kodama said Tokyo would respond to the test "in a responsible fashion" at the UN, without giving further details.

The South Korea has set up a "crisis management" team of officers at general-level.

The European Union has said that the development is "very worrying".

South Korea's stock market fell 4% on the news, over fears that regional tensions would rise.

Second test

On Monday, the KCNA report said that "the current nuclear test was safely conducted on a new higher level in terms of its explosive power and technology of its control".

It said the results resolved "scientific and technological problems arising in further increasing the power of nuclear weapons and steadily developing nuclear technology".

The report gave no details of the location of the test.

However, South Korean officials said a seismic tremor was detected in the north-eastern part of the communist state.

Both South Korea's and the US geological agency said the tremor indicated a nuclear explosion.

North Korea conducted its first nuclear test in October 2006.

Last month, Pyongyang pulled out of six-party talks on its nuclear programme, in protest against international condemnation of its test-firing of a rocket.

The UN Security Council adopted a statement calling on North Korea to comply with a 2006 resolution banning missile tests.

Pyongyang says its rocket carried a satellite, but several nations viewed it as cover for a missile test.

The six-party talks - involving the US, China, Japan, Russia and the two Koreas - have stalled over the failure of Pyongyang to verify the shutdown of the Yongbyon nuclear plant.

North Korea agreed to dismantle the facility as part of an aid-for-disarmament deal and, in response, the US removed North Korea from its terrorism blacklist.

What the fuck, really? It's weird considering years ago North Korea went to great lengths to show they were dismantling their nuclear program, even to the point they destroyed their only cooling tower in the process.

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Considering that North Korea has the world's largest standing army and are now getting the technology to back it up, they are posing a bigger and bigger threat to the world.

And yes, they may have been saying that before, and they were done doing that, but that is because they were a failing communist government that couldn't feed its people and the only way they would get aid from powers like the US was to cease research on such projects.

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This is really bad news. I think North Korea feels they have the right to have self defense in nuclear arms if most other strong nations do. That is probably Kim Jong Il's thinking, now his motives those worry me.

China needs to put it's foot down because of their proximity. This is a step in the wrong direction.

I am not very well rehearsed in the ties that China has with North Korea, but I was sure that their sharing of the communist government still gave them ties and that not much has changed with the Korean War. I am unsure about it but I can agree with you there, I see a powder keg here as well as with adjacent regions like the middle east. Everything is becoming quite climactic right now.

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I am not very well rehearsed in the ties that China has with North Korea, but I was sure that their sharing of the communist government still gave them ties and that not much has changed with the Korean War. I am unsure about it but I can agree with you there, I see a powder keg here as well as with adjacent regions like the middle east. Everything is becoming quite climactic right now.

China has backed down North Korea multiple times in the past because of the danger a war would have on China's economy. Also I wouldn't call China communist anymore, they are becoming more and more capitalist as the years go by. Not that they were communist at the start.

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China has backed down North Korea multiple times in the past because of the danger a war would have on China's economy. Also I wouldn't call China communist anymore, they are becoming more and more capitalist as the years go by. Not that they were communist at the start.

They are a communist government except for in Hong Kong. They are a mixed economy and their economy is growing and becoming the best in the world. Their growth is exponential whereas most of the other powerful economic players are declining economies.

I would still agree with you saying that it is a step in the wrong direction and that this is a definite potential powder-keg.

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They are a communist government except for in Hong Kong. They are a mixed economy and their economy is growing and becoming the best in the world. Their growth is exponential whereas most of the other powerful economic players are declining economies.

I would still agree with you saying that it is a step in the wrong direction and that this is a definite potential powder-keg.

They are not Communists.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=43522

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JH: No, it’s capitalist with Chinese characteristics. After Mao died everything changed. It's not communist at all. People don't support the communist party like they used to. Now people just want to get rich. It started becoming capitalist with Deng Xiaoping’s economic reforms. He betrayed the socialist cause. It would have been terrific if Mao had lived. "

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0110-42.htm

http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article1519

Or how about private property in China?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7030800083.html

Clearly not the signs of a Communist state according to Karl Marx.

"Abolition of property in lane and application of all rents of land to public purposes." -Communist Manifesto

Also inheritance by Communist law should be illegal but not in Law of Succession implemented in 1985 by the Peoples Republic Of China

http://www.chnlawyer.net/ShowArticle.shtml...29202652846.htm

There is also many child factories in China where children are exploited for work which once again in a pure communist state should be abolished under one of Marx's 10 guidelines.

Not to mention there are obvious economic classes of middle class to rich class to extreme poor. And that is a major factor.

Pretty much "Communist China" isn't very Communist. I have also had many discussions in History class about this.

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They are not Communists.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=43522

"

JH: No, it’s capitalist with Chinese characteristics. After Mao died everything changed. It's not communist at all. People don't support the communist party like they used to. Now people just want to get rich. It started becoming capitalist with Deng Xiaoping’s economic reforms. He betrayed the socialist cause. It would have been terrific if Mao had lived. "

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0110-42.htm

http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article1519

Or how about private property in China?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7030800083.html

Clearly not the signs of a Communist state according to Karl Marx.

"Abolition of property in lane and application of all rents of land to public purposes." -Communist Manifesto

Also inheritance by Communist law should be illegal but not in Law of Succession implemented in 1985 by the Peoples Republic Of China

http://www.chnlawyer.net/ShowArticle.shtml...29202652846.htm

There is also many child factories in China where children are exploited for work which once again in a pure communist state should be abolished under one of Marx's 10 guidelines.

Not to mention there are obvious economic classes of middle class to rich class to extreme poor. And that is a major factor.

Pretty much "Communist China" isn't very Communist. I have also had many discussions in History class about this.

Dude, you need to do more research. First off, an interview with someone is not strong evidence to oppose my views. Up until last year, China gave Hong Kong free reign to get into the free market and in order to compete in such things you have to have some sort of capitalism and they realized this. Right now they still have a majority of their people working in farms and having their food and money rationed to them, can you please explain to me how that is not communist? Oh and about the whole owning private property in China, that is in the one place that capitalism is endorsed there --HONG KONG.

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I did mess up somehow. It posted because of my damn thinkpad mouse thing and my palm hitting it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_th...public_of_China

Chinese can run private industries. Also once you say China is a mixed economy and has some forms of Capitalism you are no longer Communist. There has never been a pure communist government, maybe you should actually read some communist material since it seems you're confusing it with Socialism in which Marx was very clear in their differences.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_th...public_of_China

Chinese can run private industries. Also once you say China is a mixed economy and has some forms of Capitalism you are no longer Communist. There has never been a pure communist government, maybe you should actually read some communist material since it seems you're confusing it with Socialism in which Marx was very clear in their differences.

Communism is an obscure form of Socialism. I am saying that they are more Communist than socialist. We aren't Capitalist either if you are talking that way, as we have socialist idealism that has been implemented into our system..... :whistling:

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Communism is an obscure form of Socialism. I am saying that they are more Communist than socialist. We aren't Capitalist either if you are talking that way, as we have socialist idealism that has been implemented into our system..... :whistling:

Once again Marx made it very clear to differentiate Communism from the forms of Socialism at the time.

It is widely known that China is not Communist anymore; if they ever were.

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communism hasn't existed in China for years if ever*Socialism baby*. people need to learn the difference between communism and a Dictatorship. one is a form of government, and one is a Financial System

now on the topic. i used to act like i didn't care about North Korea because of a certain workmate who was terrible at discussing politics *that's saying something cause I'm not too good at it either*. I still don't think they are very dangerous. People may say "But they say they have missile capable of reaching us" no they don't. if they did we'd already be blown up.

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