margot Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Clinics Pay Addicts to Stay Off Drugs By DAVID B. CARUSO, Associated Press Writer Tue Feb 7, 8:23 PM ET There are worse things you can do for money than stay off drugs. "And I've done them, too," chuckled Allen Price, a 43-year-old methamphetamine addict from Oakland, Calif. So when a friend told him about a 12-week program in San Francisco that would pay him up to $40 per week just to stay clean, he decided it was just what he needed. For five weeks since, he has trekked to a clinic several times a week to submit a urine sample, and pick up a few dollars for testing negative. "What appealed to me was the positiveness of it," he said. "It is a motivation. Stay off drugs and get some benefits out of it. Why not give it a try?" The idea of paying people to stay clean has caught on around the country amid a growing body of research indicating the practice can help keep addicts off drugs. Smokers in a two-year study at the University of Florida can get vouchers redeemable at Target, Wal-Mart or Amazon.com if they pass a test on whether they have had a cigarette. A study of 415 cocaine and methamphetamine users published last October in the Archives of General Psychiatry found that they stayed in treatment longer if they had a chance to win a prize. Dr. Lisa A. Marsch, a researcher with the National Development and Research Institutes, runs a program at St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center in New York that offers teenagers medication, counseling and reward vouchers for testing clean for drugs like heroin. "It can be a very powerful technique," she said. "If it increases their motivation to stay clean even a little, it's worth doing." Teens in Marsch's program must submit three urine samples a week. Pass, and the patient gets a voucher that can be used to buy something. The amounts start small but rise with every clean result. The second test might be worth $3.75, the third, $5. A person who remains drug-free for two months could earn as much as $596 in all. You can't buy cigarettes or alcohol with the vouchers. But almost anything else is OK — sneakers, CDs, an iPod. The catch is, if the patient tests positive, his or her next clean sample will be worth only the minimum, or $2.50. If past research is a guide, teens getting the vouchers will stay clean at rates roughly 20 percent to 30 percent higher than if they had counseling and medication alone, Marsch said. "At first, it's sort of like, `Yeah, yeah. Whatever,'" said Jessica, who participated in a program coordinated by Marsch in Burlington, Vt., when she was 18, and agreed to be interviewed on the condition that only her first name be used. "But once we got going, it was kind of nice to be rewarded for doing something good," she said. "Growing up, I didn't have the best family life. I wasn't used to that extra pat on the back." Over time, she earned enough to pay off some bills and buy a CD player. Nancy Petry, a researcher at the University of Connecticut School of Medicine, conducted several studies in which a clean urine sample earned addicts a dip into a bowl filled with slips for various prizes — a bus token, a pair of socks, new dishes, movie tickets. And somewhere in the bowl was a jumbo prize worth about $100. "It turned out to be a big incentive," Petry said of her experiments, which have involved about 1,000 people. Typically, only 20 percent to 30 percent of patients might complete a full 12-week treatment course without failing a test, but with the prize system in place, that rate improved to between 40 percent and 60 percent, Petry said. It is unclear how successful such programs are in the long term. Almost all patients eventually have at least one relapse. Jessica, now 21, stayed sober for seven months after completing Marsch's program but slipped hard once it ended. Within a few years, she had moved on to heroin. Her latest treatment program, in which she takes methadone and attends Narcotics Anonymous meetings twice daily, has her feeling optimistic. She has been clean for a month. "I feel like I'm on the right track," she said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060208/ap_on_.../paying_addicts I know the responses already: "Why should they be rewarded for following the law?!" But here are times when the ends justify the means. Getting an addict to stop shooting up is a lot different than getting a thief to stop stealing cars. I don't see a problem with it if it works. People on smack leads to a whole host of other crimes Plus, if the concern is the cost, it will result in more people able to work and better support the economy, and less cost to the health care system later. This is a situation where you just need to be pragmatic, not say "well it might work but we shouldn't do it because it's not fair." Quote Link to comment
Arcane Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Well hot damn, I'm gonna go start doing some hard drugs just so I can quit. $596 in two months? That's more money than I made in two months when I had a job. Quote Link to comment
margot Posted February 10, 2006 Author Share Posted February 10, 2006 Too bad hard drugs would cost more than 40$ a week... Quote Link to comment
Arcane Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Too bad hard drugs would cost more than 40$ a week... Ah damnit... I deleted my post accidentally. I got confused because your post after mine disappeared.... Quote Link to comment
Galkar Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 My school does something like this and gives health credit to kids for quitting cigarettes. The problem being that I think 1 or 2 kids started smoking just so they could quit and get the credit. Quote Link to comment
darkon Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 My school does something like this and gives health credit to kids for quitting cigarettes. The problem being that I think 1 or 2 kids started smoking just so they could quit and get the credit. That would totally be me. Quote Link to comment
Samurai Drifter Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 Good concept, but far too easy to abuse. Quote Link to comment
Ceraziefish Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 How so? I assume you have to test positive to heroin (or whatever) addiction before they'd let you in the program, anyway. Otherwise it'd be ridiculous. Also, positive enforcement should be used more often in law enforcement, I think. Don't steal that DVD player so that you won't go to jail -- don't steal that DVD player so that you'll get a tax write-off at the end of the year! Quote Link to comment
margot Posted February 10, 2006 Author Share Posted February 10, 2006 The end justifies the means. You have to be pragmatic. Quote Link to comment
Gundampilotspaz Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 As long as I don't have to pay for it. Quote Link to comment
Cro-Mag11 Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 good idea, id say i was an addict just to get paid!!! Quote Link to comment
Poophy Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Good concept, but far too easy to abuse. Quote Link to comment
Pamuya Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 stupid....why not just put them in jail. Quote Link to comment
Poophy Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 1) that would be much more costly 2) on one would come forward trying to get treatment if they thought they would be put in jail 3) there are much more dangerous people to put our already overcrowded prisons 4) being addicted to or use of the drugs isn’t illegal, only position or distribution 5) It wouldn’t really solve the problem in any way… Quote Link to comment
Pamuya Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 i need to do something to indicate it when i'm using sarcasm. :mellow: Quote Link to comment
Poophy Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Yes… that’s always helpful when the other person can’t hear your voice… Quote Link to comment
rockerluke Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Guess I'll have to sniff drugs, then quit so I could make a lot of money. Quote Link to comment
Poophy Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Well if this caches on being a drug addict might become a career path Quote Link to comment
margot Posted February 12, 2006 Author Share Posted February 12, 2006 Yea, because 12 weeks worth of a little money = a career. Quote Link to comment
Gundampilotspaz Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Yea, because 12 weeks worth of a little money = a career. At least after they'll have money to but more drugs. Quote Link to comment
Cro-Mag11 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 which then adds to drug dealers profits! Quote Link to comment
margot Posted February 12, 2006 Author Share Posted February 12, 2006 How do you think an addict who only goes to rehab for the drug money will manage to stay clean for 12 weeks anyway? and drugs are expensive. It's not like a few hundred dollars will keep a habit going for long. Quote Link to comment
Cro-Mag11 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 well theres other things you can do for money, theres stealing, selling your self, hell maybe you could even try to find a job. Quote Link to comment
margot Posted February 12, 2006 Author Share Posted February 12, 2006 well theres other things you can do for money, theres stealing, selling your self, hell maybe you could even try to find a job. How does that have anything to do with what we're discussing? Quote Link to comment
Cro-Mag11 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 It's not like a few hundred dollars will keep a habit going for long. Quote Link to comment
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