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Illusions and leading an illusory life.


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A while ago a friend of mine and I were having a conversation and, mentioning of The Last Samurai, I began speaking about how I found the concept of men so brave and so dedicated to honor/their way of life that they would charge at gatling guns wielding nothing but swords rather than submit like cowards. My friend, Becca, was a bit inflammatory in response and said that such a life is wasted and living by a code of honor is living in an illusion and being completely out of touch with reality. She asserted that living by codes, following a system of honor, or adhering to a creed strictly of some sort was living life in a black and white fantastical world. I find the concept of living by a code like that as being incredibly grounded and supplies a purpose to ones life, and it isn't like a person would by default twist that creed to justify their actions. (Moving away from Samurai, I mean overall now).

Another time I mentioned the romantic poets to her, and talked about their views of the world and how many were sad for a good deal of their lives. She also passed that off as living somewhat of an idealic life.

So, do you all think living by a code of some sort is living an illusion? Is dreaming or aspiring to something idealic or mainting a feeling of sorrow over the inability to attain a goal senseless? What is illusion anyway, in your opinion, and who are the people who lead ignorant or illusory lives, and who are those that are grounded?

Discuss.

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I like to think if you live a happy life you didn't waste any of your time.

I agree with that for the most part. But I hate to see people live their lives behind closed doors. Limiting your perspective of the universe is only harmful to yourself, in my opinion. It's a person's own decision to make, but I would never live my life by adhering to a nonsensical code of conduct or behavior.

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I argue that reality is an illusion, and that reality molds to perspective. To your ally, the code of bushido is an illusion, much like how said ally's view is just as much of an illusion. It seems to me that your friend is fooled under the lull of social majority's cookie cutter perception on average life, and anything outside those boundaries seems wild and foolish.

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Interesting you should say that. In fact, the samurai believed that all of life was a dream, and that by dying you awoke from the dream of life. The reason you'd sacrifice yourself is that you were only waking up anyway. Why would they sacrifice themselves if it was all an illusion? Honor.

Anyway, I agree that life is an illusion that molds to perspective (as Venom said).

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I also agree on the concept of perspective reality, except in some cases. (Like people who think the Holocaust didn't happen, when there is empirical evidence.)

My friend has this obsession with fighting against the concepts of black and white in society....

I think she might be overlooking things in a black and white way herself. Heh.

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I don't think you can really change what you believe, unless your circumstances change first, or you become more experienced. And if you go against what you believe in that's like self-treason, cliche is "living a lie", really the most illusory thing possible.

Whenever I read about terrorists captured by the US, I'm sad that they have to give up what they truly believe in even though it hurts others :P

The only historically evil person immune to my sympathy is ANDREW JACKSON, his mother should have strangled him at birth.

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Whenever I read about terrorists captured by the US, I'm sad that they have to give up what they truly believe in even though it hurts others :P

COMMY!

I think it'd be interesting to be in a situation where you could talk with a terrorist like that but neither of you could hurt each other.

What I'm a bit sad about is that an otherwise good faith is being screwed with too blow people up. Is that statement providing evidence for why someone is living an illusory life, or was that me being misunderstanding?

DUN DUN DUN!

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what? xD I'm confused with wording here - who are you to say who is "illusory" and who isn't? Are we defining "non-illusory" as the Rational Dude of neoclassical economics who does things completely based on cost/benefit ratios, cause if so everyone's life is illusory.

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what? xD I'm confused with wording here - who are you to say who is "illusory" and who isn't? Are we defining "non-illusory" as the Rational Dude of neoclassical economics who does things completely based on cost/benefit ratios, cause if so everyone's life is illusory.

I got all... like... confusing... and like... existential... and stuff man...

/trips

/gets up

Anyway... I was looking for your opinions on what is "illusory." My friend Becca considered, for example, the romantic poets, the Samurai, the norse, etc. as living lies because they followed codes or religions to the death or focused their lives on ideals. And that is where I started thinking about the concept.

One could say gay bashers or super conservatives are living a lie for example.

I've been turning the concept around for a bit. In my mind.

I think a person who doesn't misguide themselves, but in fact embodies a code or ideal, is very grounded.

But she would disagree as she's is "championing against the concepts of black and white!" But in a way, I think she falls in there too and disregards a very viable means of living.

People need purpose, right?

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Women have more honor than men because more men sit in their basements masturbating to porn on a daily basis.

Or maybe they are more honorable because without their funding, those porn stars would all be out of a job. But I suppose you wouldn't care if a couple more people living on the streets would you? You cold-hearted...

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I've often thought that living by a certain code would be an improvement over what I'm doing right here (which is just living idly and not really accomplishing anything). However, I don't have the self control necessary.

On the other hand, when people get blinded by a belief to the point where they don't accept other things just because they go against their belief... Well, in the words of the black dude from Silverado, "That ain't right."

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I don't think you can really change what you believe, unless your circumstances change first, or you become more experienced. And if you go against what you believe in that's like self-treason, cliche is "living a lie", really the most illusory thing possible.

Every second we live we are more experienced by that second. It isn't so hard to change what you believe, if you aren't holding on to a concrete idea of who you are.

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"Miniver Cheevy, child of scorn,

Grew lean while he assailed the seasons

He wept that he was ever born,

And he had reasons.

Miniver loved the days of old

When swords were bright and steeds were prancing;

The vision of a warrior bold

Would send him dancing.

Miniver sighed for what was not,

And dreamed, and rested from his labors;

He dreamed of Thebes and Camelot,

And Priam's neighbors.

Miniver mourned the ripe renown

That made so many a name so fragrant;

He mourned Romance, now on the town,

And Art, a vagrant.

Miniver loved the Medici,

Albeit he had never seen one;

He would have sinned incessantly

Could he have been one.

Miniver cursed the commonplace

And eyed a khaki suit with loathing:

He missed the medieval grace

Of iron clothing.

Miniver scorned the gold he sought,

But sore annoyed was he without it;

Miniver thought, and thought, and thought,

And thought about it.

Miniver Cheevy, born too late,

Scratched his head and kept on thinking;

Miniver coughed, and called it fate,

And kept on drinking."

Now, would you say the character of that poem is living an illusory life?

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