Drugs

[Ceraziefish]

So, er, yes, drugs. Especially hard drugs like heroin and such. Legal or illegal? If they're legal the government can control prices, have clinics (such as needle exchanges, and safe places to shoot up) so it's not so dangerous. But the question is, does this encourage people to go out and do this drug? Well, I don't know. Another issue is how drug education is in schools. I remember the extent of my drug education was "MARIJUANA IS BAD ALCOHOL IS BAD CIGARETTES ARE BAD."

On another note, I know a lot of people who smoke. I'm pretty sure that everyone who smokes knows it's bad for them. So why do they do it, eh?

[Gundampilotspaz]

Legally I have no problem with drugs, Morally is a different issue.

[margot]

eh, I don't believe it will ever be feasible for the government to really control drug usage/sales. I don't really care what other people do to their own bodies and don't see why it should really be an issue.

[Gundampilotspaz]

People wish to control others. The hippy generation was out of control, so washington attempted to stop it. Not that I can say drug use in the sixties wasn't out of control, but the government had no right to get involved.

[margot]

um, how were the hippies out of control?

[Gundampilotspaz]

um, how were the hippies out of control?

Put on the glasses of a conservative.

[darkon]

Fun fact.

Marijuana was inititally outlawed in the 30's because it insighted violent behavior in its users. Yes, you read that correctly.

Drugs should be legal, trust me, having two parents who see Baltimore city drug use first hand I can safely say a regulated market can make drug use safer as well as eliminate the biggest source of profit for criminals.

[Venom112]

I'd be fine with marijuana being legalized, it's less deadly than cigarettes and alcohol, despite the ridiculous commercials that say otherwise.

anti-marijuana commercial: Guilt, Guilt, lack of facts, guilt, anecdotal evidence, rare occurance, guilt.

Also, marijuana is virtually non-addictive. Drug dealers would get a lower income, the gov. would get money, and marijuana would no longer be a gateway drug.

Then again, think of the downsides. The gov. probably gets good income from drug money through CIA operations and drug busts as it is. On top of that, marijuana can be grown just about anywhere (as according to Venom law, the system of existence that all reality should be based upon, hemp is the most versatile plant in the world) so there goes a cut of gov. profit again. Let's also say that theoretically this vastly effects certain poverty-stricken drug users. For all we know, these people could begin to move up an income ladder of sorts and the social ladder as well. I don't think it's a bad thing, but the gov. is crazy and has conspiracies going on all the time, so for all I know, it's part of the grand plan to keep people in weak positions of power.

On another note, I know a lot of people who smoke. I'm pretty sure that everyone who smokes knows it's bad for them. So why do they do it, eh?

"Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight! I know you've employed some kind of eternal life fantasy because you've chosen not to smoke. Let me be the first to pop that bubble and send you hurtling back to reality - because you're dead too. And you know what doctors say? "Shit, if only you'd smoked - we'd have the technology to help you. It's you people dying from nothing who are screwed". I've got all sorts of neat shit waiting for me - oxygen tent, iron lung...it's like going to dandy." - Bill Hicks

Also, as some of my smoking allies have pointed out, "Sure, it takes years off your life, but that's at the end of it, and who wants to suffer through that portion anyway?" Good point. Not to mention that people do things that are bad for them all time. Do you have an air conditioner? Well, you're doing something bad. Imagine the pathogens you pump into your abode. It's a death trap it is!

Fun fact.

Marijuana was inititally outlawed in the 30's because it insighted violent behavior in its users. Yes, you read that correctly.

Yes, statements about the drugs effects were the caused of prohibition, but they was an outrageous lies propageted by government.

[Samurai Drifter]

Morally, there's absolutely nothing wrong with drugs, and only certain ones should be illegal.

[Battle_Pope]

the government would tax the shit out of marijuana, and what would all the angry marijuana dealers do?

[Arcane]

I don't really care what other people do to their own bodies and don't see why it should really be an issue.

Government's purpose is to preserve and control society. If all drugs were legal and readily available, there would no doubt be a significant portion of the population who would fall victim to the negative effects of drugs, causing social decay. Thus why it's an issue.

With that said, I think some drugs should be legalized while others should remain illegal. It's just stupid that alcohol is completely legal, while marijuana isn't. The only reason it remains that way is because of cultural biases.

[darkon]

the government would tax the shit out of marijuana, and what would all the angry marijuana dealers do?

Find another illegal drug to sell. Or grow their own marijuana and sell it.

[Gundampilotspaz]

Government's purpose is to preserve and control society. If all drugs were legal and readily available, there would no doubt be a significant portion of the population who would fall victim to the negative effects of drugs, causing social decay. Thus why it's an issue.

Government is only here to protect the poeple, society shall go in which ever way the majority decides. The government has no right to dictate how I live my life.

[Kreutz]

If you're going to ban marijuana, ban alcohol and tobacco while you're at it. Don't try to sell the people that double-standard bullshit. Don't tell me drunk driving kills and then follow it up with a Bud Light commercial. Don't warn me about the harms of cigarette smoking in a commercial funded by Phillip-Morris.

[Gundampilotspaz]

Prohibition doesn't work.

[Kreutz]

Prohibition doesn't work.

Neither does the war on drugs, what's your point?

[Gundampilotspaz]

Neither does the war on drugs, what's your point?

That is also Prohibition, it is just drugs as opposed to alcohol.

[Ceraziefish]

"Non-smokers die every day. Sleep tight! I know you've employed some kind of eternal life fantasy because you've chosen not to smoke. Let me be the first to pop that bubble and send you hurtling back to reality - because you're dead too. And you know what doctors say? "Shit, if only you'd smoked - we'd have the technology to help you. It's you people dying from nothing who are screwed". I've got all sorts of neat shit waiting for me - oxygen tent, iron lung...it's like going to dandy." - Bill Hicks

Also, as some of my smoking allies have pointed out, "Sure, it takes years off your life, but that's at the end of it, and who wants to suffer through that portion anyway?" Good point. Not to mention that people do things that are bad for them all time. Do you have an air conditioner? Well, you're doing something bad. Imagine the pathogens you pump into your abode. It's a death trap it is!

Actually, I don't have an air conditioner... *Cough* Anyway.

I've never really thought about it that way, but I look at it this way; smoking is just extra danger. And have you ever heard someone with a really classy smoker's hack? Alot of kids at my school have 'em. That shit starts

affecting you much sooner than late in life.

[Poophy]

Making drugs legal would most likely make them safer, when you are buying from a drug dealer, often you don’t really know what you are getting. I have been handed gram of pot with crumbled up pills in it, when I asked, even the guy I bout it from didn’t even know what it was.(when I got home and got a better look at it I realized that it was an aspirin) but my point is that that could had been anything from cocaine to rat poison.

By legalizing it, the government could set standards and have people enforce them(like with food)

[Samurai Drifter]

Many drugs endanger not only the lives of those that take them, but others around them too. People can do whatever they want to their own body, but once their actions start harming others action has to be taken.

[Battle_Pope]

I've never ever dealt with laced pot ever.

Legalizing it I think would be too messy, how would the government go about handling it?

[Poophy]

I wasn’t trying to get lased stuff, just all he had, but the idea would be it wouldn’t be drug dealers as we know them selling it, but a pharmacy

And with reputable places selling it, you get a certain level of accountability, and with that, quality control

My argument is for the legalization of marijuana and nothing else

Edited November 27, 2005 by poophy san

[Battle_Pope]

I didn't say you were trying to get laced stuff, I was just stating I never got laced stuff from dealers. (who the hell wants laced stuff right)

and then I segued into how the government would go about legalizing it.

[Makil]

Out of curiousity, how does Amsterdam deal with this kind of stuff? Do they have dealers or are people buying it from certain places that control it?

[Battle_Pope]

in amsterdam the coffee shops have the pot, and there's a certain park I think for tripping on shrooms.

dealers handle the other stuff