Christianity: Official State Religion

[Bittersweet Endings Only]

If you weren't afraid before, now would be a good time to start.

South Dakota (yes, THAT S.D.) and Kansas (yes, THAT Kansas) also have similar bills on the table. Apparently, the hip new interpretation is that the Constitutional seperation of church and state only applies to FEDERAL government.

[HappyLittleBoozer]

If you weren't afraid before, now would be a good time to start.

South Dakota (yes, THAT S.D.) and Kansas (yes, THAT Kansas) also have similar bills on the table. Apparently, the hip new interpretation is that the Constitutional seperation of church and state only applies to FEDERAL government.

Yeah, that's why it says 'Seperation of Church and State'. Leave it to these backward fucktards to misinterpret something so simple.

[darkon]

They're probably taking John Jay, James Madison, and Thomas Jefferson quotes from the 18th century as still having relevance today.

[Samurai Drifter]

I don't see the problem with voluntary prayer in school. That's not a violation of the seperation of church and state. But I don't see what the point of that bill is then, since voluntary prayer in school is already legal.

The part about officials recognizing a Christian god really worries me, though.

[Arcane]

The voluntary prayer in school doesn't bother me. I had to deal with that all through high school with the happy little Christian group we had. They usually didn't bother anyone.

The Christian displays on public property doesn't bother me either, but I can understand that it would offend other people. Like the uptight assholes who bitch and moan about statues of the 10 Commandments being located at courthouses and such... but apparently they're too dense to realize that the 10 Commandments were also very important as they were one of the earlier systems of law.

[Wind]

can't congress or whatever just challenge this and have it overturned?

[HappyLittleBoozer]

I really don't think anyone should be praying in schools, voluntary or otherwise. Why? Because it causes problems. We had this fucking flag pole at my school that the little christian kids prayed at in the mornings. When the krishnas prayed around it one day, the school immediately made a no prayer policy, as if to say, "If dirty pagans are going to pray at it too, then no one can."

[darkon]

I really don't think anyone should be praying in schools, voluntary or otherwise. Why? Because it causes problems. We had this fucking flag pole at my school that the little christian kids prayed at in the mornings. When the krishnas prayed around it one day, the school immediately made a no prayer policy, as if to say, "If dirty pagans are going to pray at it too, then no one can."

I know a kid who was told he couldn't wear a Venom shirt to school anymore because of the image of Satan.

Religious freedom means both sides. It's almost like nobody except the non-religious understands this.

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I really don't think anyone should be praying in schools, voluntary or otherwise. Why? Because it causes problems. We had this fucking flag pole at my school that the little christian kids prayed at in the mornings. When the krishnas prayed around it one day, the school immediately made a no prayer policy, as if to say, "If dirty pagans are going to pray at it too, then no one can."

The problem is, as long as there continues to be standardized testing, there will be prayer in schools.

[Samurai Drifter]

I really don't think anyone should be praying in schools, voluntary or otherwise. Why? Because it causes problems. We had this fucking flag pole at my school that the little christian kids prayed at in the mornings. When the krishnas prayed around it one day, the school immediately made a no prayer policy, as if to say, "If dirty pagans are going to pray at it too, then no one can."

That's the school's moronic fault. Everybody should be able to pray, not nobody. =/

[margot]

What place does prayer even have in school?

[FaultyClockwork]

Weren't the founding fathers Deists or at least used Deist beliefs?

[Kreutz]

You had to know the whole 'freedom of religion' thing wasn't going to last. At least they're not pushing catholicism off on us.

[James_xeno]

WTF!?

After reading it, it's not as bad as it could have been and I thought it was going to be. It's really just about religious displays and stuff like that. But still... Wow!

[Arcane]

What place does prayer even have in school?

I see absolutely nothing wrong with an after-school prayer club, as long as the school doesn't discriminate against various religions. Most schools that I know of require having a teacher or other faculty member sponsor the club, so the chances of seeing a Satanist club pop up would be pretty slim. My old high school now has an anime club. If crazy extracurricular clubs are allowed in school like anime club, I think religious clubs should also be allowed, as long as they don't cause trouble.

[margot]

Oh, I don't think there's anything wrong with religious after-school clubs, but when they want to have"voluntary prayer" during actual school time I just wonder why. It's not a slight against Christianity or anything, it's just sort of well, what's the reason for it.

[Bittersweet Endings Only]

What place does prayer even have in school?

Before tests, usually.

[darkon]

Weren't the founding fathers Deists or at least used Deist beliefs?

Ben Franklin. And Jefferson was like a Christian Deist. His religious beliefs are really strange.

Most of them were influenced by Deism but had a deep relation to Christianity also. The Enlightenment was a real mess in reality.

[Ceraziefish]

Wasn't John Adams a Unitarian? I'm a Unitarian!

Anyway. Prayer in schools. Couldn't it be theologically argued that praying to God to increase your test scores is a form of allowing outside contact to affect your grade, and thus wouldn't it be cheating?

[Satan]

WOW. umm, this is supposed to get overtuned right?

Anyway, Catholicism isn't the worst, we Catholics don't have Pat Robertson.

[margot]

WOW. umm, this is supposed to get overtuned right?

Anyway, Catholicism isn't the worst, we Catholics don't have Pat Robertson.

But you do beat little kids when they masturbate?

[darkon]

WOW. umm, this is supposed to get overtuned right?

Anyway, Catholicism isn't the worst, we Catholics don't have Pat Robertson.

Yeah, out of all the Christian religions Catholicism is one of the best. It's a weird faith though. You have two sides. The ultra-conservative Catholics who try and sound religious in public and then the regular Catholics who understand that there are other people out there. It's a lot better than, say, Southern Baptists or Lutherans.

[Bittersweet Endings Only]

Lutherans? I heard the Luthies were basically "Catholic Lite."

But, yeah, Southern Baptists are frightening.

[darkon]

Lutherans? I heard the Luthies were basically "Catholic Lite."

But, yeah, Southern Baptists are frightening.

Catholic Lite? They don't believe you need to do good deeds to get into heaven. Catholics more or less believe the exact opposite. Episcopalians are "Catholic Lite", but in reality more like Catholicism - Pope.

[Oerlikon]

But, I'm a Baptist, you meanies! Actually, the only scary Baptists are the ones that make up the Southern Baptist Convention. However, no Baptist church follows what the SB Convention says....